What are the major arguments against ENT by its Naysayers?

[SFRabid]

However, Star Trek is kind of a "universe" and comparing different parts of it is legitimate (especially if, on the other hand, one of major offences of ENT is "canon violation). I'm first to admit, ENT has some a number of weaknesses, but I don't get the violent criticism: it really doesn't seem worse than TOS or other parts of ST and it does have some "awesome" episodes.

And I'm guessing that you'll never get it then, because the problem with ENT was that it never really had that many outstanding episodes, if any, for that matter. It had some decent ones, but none of them were all that great, and most of them sucked, like say the majority of season 2. So if you actually liked episodes like A Night in Sickbay and The Seventh, you're not ever going to understand what others don't like about the show.

Rude and narrow-minded. Because you have a passionate dislike of Enterprise does not mean that everyone who "gets it" will also dislike Enterprise. Enterprise has plenty of good episodes and really improved during the 3rd and 4th season. Before you say "that's just your opinion and not what the majority think" I will remind you that on this very website in the General area Enterprise won the pole asking "What series would you like to to see get another year." Find the thread and read through the responses. You may find it enlightening. There are a lot of people who like Enterprise, think it is good, and even think seasons 3 and 4 are some of the best of Trek.

But then, maybe you will never get it.

 

[Chip]

This is just my humble opinion, but the Vulcans in TOS were not saints either. Remember how Amanda stated that the other Vulcan children would ridicule Spock about his half human status; and remember how T'Pau had a serious bug up her rear concerning outworlders. I guess I'm just saying that Enterprise was not as much of a violation of canon as many detractors say it is.

 

[SFRabid]

This is just my humble opinion, but the Vulcans in TOS were not saints either. Remember how Amanda stated that the other Vulcan children would ridicule Spock about his half human status; and remember how T'Pau had a serious bug up her rear concerning outworlders. I guess I'm just saying that Enterprise was not as much of a violation of canon as many detractors say it is.

And remember T'Pring's ploy to play Kirk against Spock so that one of them would kill the other and she would get to choose her own mate?

 

[Captain X]

Rude and narrow-minded. Because you have a passionate dislike of Enterprise does not mean that everyone who "gets it" will also dislike Enterprise. Enterprise has plenty of good episodes and really improved during the 3rd and 4th season. Before you say "that's just your opinion and not what the majority think" I will remind you that on this very website in the General area Enterprise won the pole asking "What series would you like to to see get another year." Find the thread and read through the responses. You may find it enlightening. There are a lot of people who like Enterprise, think it is good, and even think seasons 3 and 4 are some of the best of Trek.

But then, maybe you will never get it.

TATV has also been voted one of Trek's best episodes. Do you think I care? And ironically, I don't have that passionate of a dislike of ENT as I do of VOY or even TNG, I'm just not afraid to call things the way I see them, and I'm not one to let things pass. Of the things I hate passionately about ENT, I'd have to say that Archer's portrayal would top the list, and the shitty execution of a good premise. But I'm not going to go on about how awesome ENT was either when it really wasn't all that great even at its best.

 

[AstroMike]

I started watching Star Trek back in the 70s when the animateds were making their Saturday morning run and I loved Trek through Enterprise. I thought it did a good job of transitioning to TOS and it was way better than Voy. I loved the ship, the unforms, and the the initial clumsy way of exporing space. Hey, at least they were exploring and not just driving around the neighborhood with the same groups week to week. I thought they had several standout episodes in First Flight, Similitude, Twilight, and the In A Mirror, Darkly two-parter. I miss Enterprise and have really enjoyed the relaunch novels. I think the character of Trip is one of the best in all of Trek history.

I will say the the temporal cold war was a weak point in the series.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Looking past canon, and aesthetics, my gripe with Enterprise is a problem I have noticed a lot of modern Trek. Everyone feels too uptight. Sure, they speak modern english, but it feels stunted somehow. Dialogue is a bit unnatural, and forced. Most of the characters fell short of personality, with the exception of Trip, who almost had enough personality to make up for the blocks of ice that are his crewmates.

I was no fan of the plots up to Season 3. In fact, Two Days and Two Nights was enough to make me stop watching. Unfortunatley, the next episode I saw after my self-induced exile was A Night in Sickbay. Season 3's main plot was outstanding, in my opinion, really got the ball rolling with the arc, continuity be damned, I really liked Season 3. Season 4 kept level on from Season 3, giving a very good format with the "mini-arcs". Of course, it all comes crashing down with The Episode That Shall Not Be Named.

Overall, Enterprise isn't fuming, raging hate-worthy. It's not a part of my personal interpretation of canon, but that doesn't mean I want to put a molotov cocktail to it. Even with all the problems and quibbles and groan inducing moments, there was the spark of Star Trek. Still there. Still Star Trek.

 

[SFRabid]

Rude and narrow-minded. Because you have a passionate dislike of Enterprise does not mean that everyone who "gets it" will also dislike Enterprise. Enterprise has plenty of good episodes and really improved during the 3rd and 4th season. Before you say "that's just your opinion and not what the majority think" I will remind you that on this very website in the General area Enterprise won the pole asking "What series would you like to to see get another year." Find the thread and read through the responses. You may find it enlightening. There are a lot of people who like Enterprise, think it is good, and even think seasons 3 and 4 are some of the best of Trek.

But then, maybe you will never get it.

TATV has also been voted one of Trek's best episodes. Do you think I care? And ironically, I don't have that passionate of a dislike of ENT as I do of VOY or even TNG, I'm just not afraid to call things the way I see them, and I'm not one to let things pass. Of the things I hate passionately about ENT, I'd have to say that Archer's portrayal would top the list, and the shitty execution of a good premise. But I'm not going to go on about how awesome ENT was either when it really wasn't all that great even at its best.

I'm sorry. I guess I misunderstood you when you said

And I'm guessing that you'll never get it then, because the problem with ENT was that it never really had that many outstanding episodes, if any, for that matter. It had some decent ones, but none of them were all that great, and most of them sucked, ....

 

[SFRabid]

Looking past canon, and aesthetics, my gripe with Enterprise is a problem I have noticed a lot of modern Trek. Everyone feels too uptight. Sure, they speak modern english, but it feels stunted somehow. Dialogue is a bit unnatural, and forced.

I wonder if that is caused by the way BnB uses writers? Many shows have a staff of writers that work on the show week after week. ENT had a revolving door of writers used to help BnB fill the gaps. In an interview with one of the B's he said the biggest problem with writers working on the show was getting the language right. From that interview I took it that a lot of writers and scripts were not used because of the "language" they were restricted to.

I was no fan of the plots up to Season 3. In fact, Two Days and Two Nights was enough to make me stop watching. Unfortunatley, the next episode I saw after my self-induced exile was A Night in Sickbay. ...

LOL. That would do it. When it first came on I only got to watch one or two episodes a year at most. The first episode for me had the first decon scene with Trip and T'Pol rubbing oil over each other. The next episode I saw was the first neuropressure scene. After that it was years before I gave Enterprise a chance. Then I saw "The Andorian Incident" and thought, hey, this series might be good after all.

 

[trj]

Looking past canon, and aesthetics, my gripe with Enterprise is a problem I have noticed a lot of modern Trek. Everyone feels too uptight. Sure, they speak modern english, but it feels stunted somehow. Dialogue is a bit unnatural, and forced.

I wonder if that is caused by the way BnB uses writers? Many shows have a staff of writers that work on the show week after week. ENT had a revolving door of writers used to help BnB fill the gaps. In an interview with one of the B's he said the biggest problem with writers working on the show was getting the language right. From that interview I took it that a lot of writers and scripts were not used because of the "language" they were restricted to.

I was no fan of the plots up to Season 3. In fact, Two Days and Two Nights was enough to make me stop watching. Unfortunatley, the next episode I saw after my self-induced exile was A Night in Sickbay. ...

LOL. That would do it. When it first came on I only got to watch one or two episodes a year at most. The first episode for me had the first decon scene with Trip and T'Pol rubbing oil over each other. The next episode I saw was the first neuropressure scene. After that it was years before I gave Enterprise a chance. Then I saw "The Andorian Incident" and thought, hey, this series might be good after all.

i think one of the biggest problems with the revoving door of writers was the way they wrote archer,each writer seemed to write a different version of him.it confused the heck out of me.

 

[Captain X]

Rude and narrow-minded. Because you have a passionate dislike of Enterprise does not mean that everyone who "gets it" will also dislike Enterprise. Enterprise has plenty of good episodes and really improved during the 3rd and 4th season. Before you say "that's just your opinion and not what the majority think" I will remind you that on this very website in the General area Enterprise won the pole asking "What series would you like to to see get another year." Find the thread and read through the responses. You may find it enlightening. There are a lot of people who like Enterprise, think it is good, and even think seasons 3 and 4 are some of the best of Trek.

But then, maybe you will never get it.

TATV has also been voted one of Trek's best episodes. Do you think I care? And ironically, I don't have that passionate of a dislike of ENT as I do of VOY or even TNG, I'm just not afraid to call things the way I see them, and I'm not one to let things pass. Of the things I hate passionately about ENT, I'd have to say that Archer's portrayal would top the list, and the shitty execution of a good premise. But I'm not going to go on about how awesome ENT was either when it really wasn't all that great even at its best.

I'm sorry. I guess I misunderstood you when you said

And I'm guessing that you'll never get it then, because the problem with ENT was that it never really had that many outstanding episodes, if any, for that matter. It had some decent ones, but none of them were all that great, and most of them sucked, ....

You see that as somehow inconsistent?

 

[Chip]

This is just my humble opinion, but the Vulcans in TOS were not saints either. Remember how Amanda stated that the other Vulcan children would ridicule Spock about his half human status; and remember how T'Pau had a serious bug up her rear concerning outworlders. I guess I'm just saying that Enterprise was not as much of a violation of canon as many detractors say it is.

And remember T'Pring's ploy to play Kirk against Spock so that one of them would kill the other and she would get to choose her own mate?

How could I forget about that. That scheme of T'Pring's was something. It was almost human, what she did! LOL!