Indeed. Like his epic moment in Yesterday's Enterprise; a stiff lipped "That'll be the day."
Were the Borg Ever in DS9?
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Indeed. Like his epic moment in Yesterday's Enterprise; a stiff lipped "That'll be the day."
That's what I mean, one or two lines mentioning the Son'a. If they had used the Dominion as the main villains in INS it would've warranted a bit more of a mention which the DS9 team wouldn't have wanted. I'm beginning to wonder if they were irritated at Sisko's line over the "Recent Borg attack".
Yeah, Picard was no peacenik. He was, however, prudent, and like any good commander, preferred a peaceful resolution to escalating a conflict.
Which was part of the problem with that era of Trek, IMO. They're making a major motion picture set during a war---the perfect opportunity to be as epic as you like---and they intentionally avoid those elements because it "might confuse some viewers"?
I'm not an Insurrection hater, it was a better movie than some give it credit for. But a wasted opportunity as well.
Yeah, but just because it takes place during a war doesn't necessarily mean it has to be dark and depressing. It could focus on events that while dour at first end up leading to a key victory in the war. That way, the movie would ultimately be uplifting and life-affirming.
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Attack Pattern Delta is where you let the enemy shoot at you four times before you shoot back, then let 'em shoot at you another four times and so on.
Attack Pattern Omega is where you exchange one shot for every ten shots the enemy takes at you.
Robert
It's amazing how you're able to get inside the DS9 producers' heads and know what they were thinking.
I personally didn't want DS9's war to be the focus of a TNG movie. I just wanted a good story. Sadly, we didn't get that. But if Insurrection had actually been, you know... good, then I wouldn't care whether or not there was any connection with DS9 or any mention of the war.
But we're continuity nuts. Furthermore, you have to have a good reason for Worf to be there.
There is a good reason.
He was at the Manzar Colony when mumble mumble mumble mumble - noone wants to hear Worf's BS excuse.
He was at the Manzar Colony when mumble mumble mumble mumble - noone wants to hear Worf's BS excuse.
Worf steps on the bridge. Surprised looks from the crew.
Picard
Mr. Worf, what are you doing here?
Worf
I was... (long pause, looks confused)
Tactical officer sighs, gets out of Wor'fs way. Worf takes his station.
Picard
Now as I was saying, Number One...
Picard
Mr. Worf, what are you doing here?
Worf
I was... (long pause, looks confused)
Tactical officer sighs, gets out of Wor'fs way. Worf takes his station.
Picard
Now as I was saying, Number One...
It's funny, I'm Playing Legacy on the 360 and as soon as I get a weapons lock I open full bore with phazers and torpedos. The bad guys tend to not have a clue what hit them as the other ships in my fleet like to take a beating with very little to answer back. lol
Attack Pattern Delta is where you let the enemy shoot at you four times before you shoot back, then let 'em shoot at you another four times and so on.
Attack Pattern Omega is where you exchange one shot for every ten shots the enemy takes at you.
Robert
Why do you say that? I loved the Borg--as seen on TNG--, and I thought that a one-off TV movie featuring the casts of both TNG and DS9, my favorite Trek shows, would have been good. They could have had a cube attack DS9, and then show the Defiant doing the job for which it was built. Also, needing help, they could have called in the Enterprise-D guys.
I agree, they shouldn't be overused like they were on VOYAGER, but a one time movie would have been good.
They did. It was in First Contact.
Yeah, there was no need for the Borg ever to appear again on any Star Trek series or in any Star Trek movie after "Star Trek: First Contact". Some people will say that's because the movie ruined them by giving them a leader, but I didn't mind that decision. I just think there was nothing new or interesting that could be done with them that wouldn't ruin them after that point, and by most accounts, Voyager's use of them proved me right.
The Borg are simply fundamentally boring as an actual villain race. One or two stories and that's it, they're done in terms of how they can directly advance a story. They're better off used from that point on as a background threat or a named but not seen adversary that do bad stuff off-screen with us hearing about the consequences but without them in the story.
Maybe they'd have worked better in VOY as a background force mentioned and used in conjunction with another adversary race that VOY directly faces (like, they have to battle more Kazon because the Borg are blocking off other routes in space and the only way left is through Kazon space. Or they're in rough condition due to a resource exchange being interrupted by a Borg attack we hear about but never directly see). Of course that would mean the audience would have to NOT hate every single last alien race VOY created...
Maybe they'd have worked better in VOY as a background force mentioned and used in conjunction with another adversary race that VOY directly faces (like, they have to battle more Kazon because the Borg are blocking off other routes in space and the only way left is through Kazon space. Or they're in rough condition due to a resource exchange being interrupted by a Borg attack we hear about but never directly see). Of course that would mean the audience would have to NOT hate every single last alien race VOY created...
The only problem with this is that the more they are mentioned, the more the audience would be built up to expect a a climax where Voyager would have to directly face the Borg. The audience would feel cheated if you built up a borg threat but didn't show it.
I think the Borg would have stayed interesting if they weren't wussed down with a leader and splinter groups etc.
