I was thinking about re-watching "Flesh and Blood" today.
I barely remember that episode. Maybe I will pop that one in.
I barely remember that episode. Maybe I will pop that one in.
Was Captain Janeway Bipolar?
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It's kinda a personal favorite of mine.
One of my favorite Voyager moments is from this ep.
It's where the Doc is being hunted by the Hirogen in a simulation. The Hirogen corners him, whips out this wicked looking blade, slashes the Doc. and a splash of blood hits the camera.
Awesome!
Did I mention I love Tarantino films?
It's kinda a personal favorite of mine.
One of my favorite Voyager moments is from this ep.
It's where the Doc is being hunted by the Hirogen in a simulation. The Hirogen corners him, whips out this wicked looking blade, slashes the Doc. and a splash of blood hits the camera.
Awesome!
Did I mention I love Tarantino films?
Ah, I hope you watched the first season of Spartacus then.
It's kinda a personal favorite of mine.
One of my favorite Voyager moments is from this ep.
It's where the Doc is being hunted by the Hirogen in a simulation. The Hirogen corners him, whips out this wicked looking blade, slashes the Doc. and a splash of blood hits the camera.
Awesome!
Did I mention I love Tarantino films?
Ah, I hope you watched the first season of Spartacus then.
Doctorie is da man, yo!!!
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Yeah, I just re-watched "Flesh & Blood" last night before I hit the hay. It was an alright two parter. But yes. I agree. That blood splatter scene with the Doc was pretty darn cool.
Yeah, I loved Kill Bill and his segments in Four Rooms, Sin City, and Grindhouse.
I have yet to see Inglorious still, though. Is it any good?
While I still liked it, it was odd.
I wasn't expecting the majority of the film to be in German & French. That kinda threw me off for a bit...........and the fact Brad Pitt isn't in it as much as you think. Once you get around that, I think watching the film build until it's conclusion was awesome! I love how he always plays up irony.
Gotta love a thread bump
She lacks consistency, certainly
Part of the problem for me is that it feels like they are writing a female captain rather than just writing a captain (who happens to be a woman). I think they were definitely intimidated by that (quick, give her a boyfriend in the pilot so we don't even have to think about writing that romance crap)
They tried so hard that they ended up making her behaviour inconsistent and over the top. Equinox is a good example. I can only imagine the writers clearly thought that having Janeway threaten the Equinox crewman with death and then threaten Chakotay when he opposed her, then later Tuvok, made her look strong and decisive or something
It didn't
It simply made her look bizarre, emotional and erratic
The more they're tried to make her look like a strong, confident woman by having her make cold, ruthless decisions in that cartoon tone befitting Arachnia, the more they actually made her look like a captain who made decisions based on being emotionally unstable and insecure
They needed to write for a captain and give those scripts to Mulgrew but instead they wrote for a "female" captain and that's where it all went wrong (to be fair, this emotionalism is only strongly noticeable in the pressure episodes)
She lacks consistency, certainly
Part of the problem for me is that it feels like they are writing a female captain rather than just writing a captain (who happens to be a woman). I think they were definitely intimidated by that (quick, give her a boyfriend in the pilot so we don't even have to think about writing that romance crap)
They tried so hard that they ended up making her behaviour inconsistent and over the top. Equinox is a good example. I can only imagine the writers clearly thought that having Janeway threaten the Equinox crewman with death and then threaten Chakotay when he opposed her, then later Tuvok, made her look strong and decisive or something
It didn't
It simply made her look bizarre, emotional and erratic
The more they're tried to make her look like a strong, confident woman by having her make cold, ruthless decisions in that cartoon tone befitting Arachnia, the more they actually made her look like a captain who made decisions based on being emotionally unstable and insecure
They needed to write for a captain and give those scripts to Mulgrew but instead they wrote for a "female" captain and that's where it all went wrong (to be fair, this emotionalism is only strongly noticeable in the pressure episodes)
Of course she was not bipolar. Bipolarity is a mental disorder that affects more women than men and manifests itself during their youth (teenage years to early 30s). One of my cousin's daughters was bipolar. Despite years of treatment, she eventually succumbed to her demons and killed herself.
There is no way that Janeway could have been bipolar and be given the command of a starship. It is not an illness that she could have kept hidden for so many years.
Captain Janeway was in a unique position. She was the only captain in the franchise who was stranded in an unexplored Quadrant. She had no support from Starfleet and was the highest ranking officer in the entire Delta Quadrant. The lives of her crew were her sole responsibility and they were 75 years away from Earth. On top of that, she had lost a third of her crew when the Caretaker dragged them to the Delta Quadrant. She had to integrate into her crew the same people that she had been sent to apprehend. At first she didn't know if she could trust the Maquis or if they would mutiny and take over her ship. She showed great acumen by making the Maquis captain her second in command. She added to her crew members of other species and a Borg woman, who she mentored and helped to rediscover her humanity. Not too many captains would have been as broad minded as Janeway.
Voyager's crew lived on edge 24/7. They never knew what they could encounter at any given moment. Would a new species be friendly or would they be attacked? For seven years Janeway was on duty. It was like being president, even on a day off she was still not off duty entirely. The responsibility for the wellbeing of her crew was still entirely on her shoulders. Imagine living with that kind of pressure. She was bound to suffer from the occasional bout of depression. She wouldn't have been human otherwise.
All things considered, I think that Captain Janeway was a terrific character and Kate Mulgrew did a wonderful job of portraying such a complex woman.
There is no way that Janeway could have been bipolar and be given the command of a starship. It is not an illness that she could have kept hidden for so many years.
Captain Janeway was in a unique position. She was the only captain in the franchise who was stranded in an unexplored Quadrant. She had no support from Starfleet and was the highest ranking officer in the entire Delta Quadrant. The lives of her crew were her sole responsibility and they were 75 years away from Earth. On top of that, she had lost a third of her crew when the Caretaker dragged them to the Delta Quadrant. She had to integrate into her crew the same people that she had been sent to apprehend. At first she didn't know if she could trust the Maquis or if they would mutiny and take over her ship. She showed great acumen by making the Maquis captain her second in command. She added to her crew members of other species and a Borg woman, who she mentored and helped to rediscover her humanity. Not too many captains would have been as broad minded as Janeway.
Voyager's crew lived on edge 24/7. They never knew what they could encounter at any given moment. Would a new species be friendly or would they be attacked? For seven years Janeway was on duty. It was like being president, even on a day off she was still not off duty entirely. The responsibility for the wellbeing of her crew was still entirely on her shoulders. Imagine living with that kind of pressure. She was bound to suffer from the occasional bout of depression. She wouldn't have been human otherwise.
All things considered, I think that Captain Janeway was a terrific character and Kate Mulgrew did a wonderful job of portraying such a complex woman.
Janeway isn't bipolar, she's just a woman.
No she is a fictional character written by a room of men, a few dozen correspondent spec writers that are going to have their work rewrote 2000 times by that room of Men and Jeri Taylor, and further more, in a completely separate area of her mind, some wishy washy Novelists are putting words into her mouth.
Hmmm.
Although several Janeway temporal doppelgänger's were integrated into a composite Super Janeway at the end of VOY Relativity. So maybe there were three or four voices in her head after that? Or course, now I'm wondering if she was also as resilient (dense/bullet proof) and as strong as four woman after that point too?
Hmmm.
Although several Janeway temporal doppelgänger's were integrated into a composite Super Janeway at the end of VOY Relativity. So maybe there were three or four voices in her head after that? Or course, now I'm wondering if she was also as resilient (dense/bullet proof) and as strong as four woman after that point too?
I agree with those who have said that she was placed in a difficult situation and did her best to maintain her crew and ship. The amount of pressure she was under would make anyone go off the deep end every now and then. Yet she managed to get everyone back home, with help from none other than her future self. My hat goes off to her.
Amen to that. Captain Janeway is most definitely not bipolar from what we have been shown of her. It kind of pisses me off that people think she's bipolar. To be honest, it seems to me like anyone who would assume she is has no direct experience with the illness.
It's not really uncommon for so-called "normal" people to experience mood fluctuations and changes in personality when in stressful situations. I can't think of a single episode wherein I felt Janeway expressed the traits of a bipolar person...
Not cool. Please don't post something like this again. It's trolling. Like, all females. Thanks.
I don't think we need to be rehashing a thread from five years ago either. Closed.
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