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Was Captain Janeway Bipolar?

Was Captain Janeway Bipolar?


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No, just a lunatic. It's incredibly jarring to think this person would have been allowed to become a starship captain (much less an Admiral) with such inexplicable and extreme shifts in attitude, morality, etc. on a not-uncommon basis. That is, if you take all of VOY at face value, of course. I like the character of Janeway when she's written well, so I tend to ignore the Insaneway episodes wherever I can.
 
^^ When you do, you'll be surprised that she isn't as insane as people say. When she loses control, she is usually provoked to the point of losing her cool.

About the bipolar label, I do think it is a bit improper to use the term so loosely. If you knew people who suffer from this and if you have seen it in real life, there is no way you could even ask the question about Janeway being bipolar. She obviously wasn't.
 
Yeah, I already have a feeling of which side I will take. And I am leaning more towards the Captain's side.

As for being disrespectful by using the term bipolar:
I simply was relaying what was already said on the forum recently. Granted it doesn't make everything all rose colored. But it is how certain people feel about her character, though.

However, I do apologize to anyone who is bipolar or has any type of mental disorder. It was not my intention to offend anyone, but to simply tell the truth about how folks feel about a particular fictional character.
 
^^ When you do, you'll be surprised that she isn't as insane as people say. When she loses control, she is usually provoked to the point of losing her cool.

This

She was put into extreme situations all the time. I would venture to say more extreme than the 'level headed' Picard ever saw.

She responded with what was needed.
 
Bi-polar? No. Control freak? Definitely, but then you have to be a control freak with a large ego in order to claw your way to the top of Starfleet. Janeway was under incredible stress for which even the best Starfleet training could not prepare her. I reckon she sensed how easily the ship could descend into chaos, which is why she ruled with an iron fist and broke the rules if she felt it necessary to do so.
 
No I dont feel she was bi-polar. With that illness you have extremes of emotions even with one day, going from deep deep depression to high highs.

I feel she was just an occasional hormonal women, who did her best with the situation she was in. I think she made a great CO.
 
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Shhh, Janeway becomes paranoid when you discuss whether or not she's bipolar. We'll talk more after she's had her coffee.
 
About the bipolar label, I do think it is a bit improper to use the term so loosely. If you knew people who suffer from this and if you have seen it in real life, there is no way you could even ask the question about Janeway being bipolar. She obviously wasn't.

I had a roommate once who was bipolar and it was one of the more frightening experiences of my life. It left me feeling leery of dealing with anyone with a mental illness. Believe me, if Janeway were bipolar she would not be one of my favorite characters - no way in hell.

Despite my leeriness I need to point out that we have a wide variety of posters on this board. Most likely some are dealing with a serious mental illness and don't care much for being mocked even if indirectly. Keep in mind when posting that not everyone reading your posts is like you. Gender, racial or other slurs that may be funny to you and your friends (if you have any) will have you looking like a horse's ass.
 
*Falls upon his light saber*

Don't, dude. It's just the Janeway avatars attacking. They don't think any term should be used to describe Janeway unless it's complimentary. If we're not fawning over Janeway, then we're attacking the mentally ill. Such are the minds of people who attack real human beings in defense of their fictional character Janeway.
 
*Falls upon his light saber*

Don't, dude. It's just the Janeway avatars attacking. They don't think any term should be used to describe Janeway unless it's complimentary. If we're not fawning over Janeway, then we're attacking the mentally ill. Such are the minds of people who attack real human beings in defense of their fictional character Janeway.

I have always said Janeway was clinically depressed. I am an ardent Janeway defender, but I can see multiple examples of her depression coming to the forefront.

She was not, however, bipolar. Bipolarism is classified very differently. People have highs and lows in the extreme sometimes in the same day. Depending on how long it goes untreated, they can move toward absolute paranoia. I once dealt with a young lady who thought all the food in her house was poisoned. She knew it really couldn't be so. She knew she was the one who bought the food, but she just couldn't shake it.

Janeway shows classic signs of depression along with a guilt complex. I would even venture to say there is a type of mourning she's going through. Combined, they can make a person act erratically. However, most of the major issues that are cited for why Janeway might be bipolar are inaccurate as examples.

It's like that song "Ironic". Most of that stuff isn't really ironic at all, but people don't really understand irony. So, they think it is all ironic.

Just because I adore the fictional ground Kathryn Janeway walks on doesn't mean I don't recognize she had issues.
 
*Falls upon his light saber*
Don't be so hard on yourself.
You didn't use the term in malice(you're correct, Janeway has been labeled that by some) and apologized for any misunderstanding behind it. IMO, that speaks allot about your content of character.....and I mean that complimentary. :techman:
 
I reckon she sensed how easily the ship could descend into chaos, which is why she ruled with an iron fist

ITA.

One of the reasons I love Janeway, is that as a character she had flaws and they showed. Her depression in "Night" is one of them, the guilt complex was made painfully explicit in that episode, and we learned from Tuvok it preceeded her displacement to the Delta Quadrant. The alien pretending to be her father in "Coda" also referred to the flaw.

But Janeway, as a character, also showed that she could learn from her mistakes and reason her way out of many traps, as she showed in "Coda"...

"My father would never act like this. He always believed I had to learn my own lessons, make my own mistakes. He never tried to shield me from life. Why would he try to shield me from death? You're not my father. I could be imagining you, but I don't think so. You have such a specific agenda. You're determined that I go with you somewhere. Who are you?"

I like Janeway because we can see the toll the 7 years in the DQ (or 23 years if you are the old Admiral) took on her.

Early in her sojourn, she was still strongly wedded to ALL things Starfleet, recall the threat to B'Elanna in season 1 ?

" I don’t have the luxury of throwing you in the brig for the rest of this voyage. I need you. I need every person on this ship. But I want you to know how very deeply you have disappointed me. If there are any further transgressions, even a minor one, you will no longer be an officer on this crew. Is that clear?"

Her condemnation of Tuvok's participation (her friend for years) in this escapade was even more piercing even if it didn't contain the same "threat" she gave B'Elanna, a relatively new officer on her crew.

"You are one of my most valued officers and you are my friend. It is vital that you understand me here. I need you, but I also need to know that I can count on you. You are my counsel, the one I turn to when I need my moral compass checked. We have forged this relationship for years and I depend on it. I realize you made a sacrifice for me but it‘s not one I would have allowed you to make. You can use logic to justify almost anything. That’s it’s power, and it’s flaw. From now on, bring your logic to me. Don’t act on it behind my back."


By season 2, she's ready to leave Chakotay behind rather than risk the crew as he himself asked her NOT to do, but she listened to that young woman who was reprimanded just the year before to think of the consequences of leaving a member of their crew behind... and she did listen.

By season 3 her tone has softened, this time towards Neelix after an even greater transgression than B'Elanna's...

"You've been on this ship for two years. I'd think by now you'd have learned the first duty of any Starfleet officer is to the truth. You violated that duty, Neelix, and there will be consequences"... and eventuallyshe reminds him... "None of us knows what's coming. That's what Starfleet is all about. We are all in this together, Neelix, and we have to be able to count on each other no matter how hard it gets. Do you understand?"

And since she can't demote him, he still gets "punished" by cleaning the warp manifolds. (I invision him doing it with a toothbrush.)


The softer, kinder Janeway could also recognize, however, when the firm hand has to clamp down on her crew. Something "Rudy" never seemed to figure out. (I just realized that "The man in Black" on Lost is Max from "Equinox! Figures.)

To Seven at the end of season 4's "Prey".

"I didn't come here to debate your decision. I came here to inform you of the consequences. When you first came to Voyager I decided to grant you the same liberties and freedoms of any crew member, because I wanted you to be a part of this family. And I've been willing to accommodate your unique way of doing things, even when you rubbed somebody the wrong way or violated protocol. But this time, I can't accommodate you. From this point forward you will no longer have access to any primary systems on this ship. Not without my direct authorization. If you attempt to circumvent me I'll throw you in the Brig. I still need your expertise in the Astrometrics lab if you're willing. If not, you can spend your time here in the Cargo Bay. Is that understood? "

By season 5's "Thirty Days", she again recognized the need to come down hard on someone who contravened her orders. This time it wasn't just giving the federation's literature database away, it was defying her repeatedly in front of the crew and FIRING upon an alien installation that served no threat to his person or their ship.

Yes, Janeway was flawed, but she often learned from her flaws. And so did her crew. B'Elanna never crossed her again. Neelix never crossed her again. Chakotay never crossed her again until he realized she had gone too far and couldn't stop herself. Tom never crossed her again. Tuvok never crossed her again, although he too could recognize (Night) when she was going too far and worked with Chakotay to pull her back from the edge. Like Janeway told him years before..."I realize you made a sacrifice for me but it‘s not one I would have allowed you to make."

Picard, a Captain for decades wouldn't have done half the things Janeway did, and that would have been boring in my opinion. ( Oh, and I LOVED Picard in the TNG years.)

Was she bipolar? Heck no.

Was she adaptable? Heck yes!

She go tthem home, 75,000 light years in 7 years. She got them home with their pride and dignity intact.

One wonders what Starfleet would have said to Janeway in her debriefings, had she taken the Admiral's offer and "just" saved her ship and crew?
 
She was not, however, bipolar. Bipolarism is classified very differently.

But, come on, we all realize how the term bipolar is being used in this case. Outside of our Psych 101 classes, when we refer to someone who jumps cars on his motorcycle as insane, we mean that he is reckless. When we say someone is bipolar we mean that he flip-flops.
 
She was just arrogant ,and reading from a Star Fleet Captain for dummies manual.
 
She was not, however, bipolar. Bipolarism is classified very differently.

But, come on, we all realize how the term bipolar is being used in this case. Outside of our Psych 101 classes, when we refer to someone who jumps cars on his motorcycle as insane, we mean that he is reckless. When we say someone is bipolar we mean that he flip-flops.

If we were going to go that direction, then the argument could apply to a lot of captains in Starfleet.

Unless the OP wants to chime in, I'm going to take it at face value.
 
She was not, however, bipolar. Bipolarism is classified very differently.

But, come on, we all realize how the term bipolar is being used in this case. Outside of our Psych 101 classes, when we refer to someone who jumps cars on his motorcycle as insane, we mean that he is reckless. When we say someone is bipolar we mean that he flip-flops.

If we were going to go that direction, then the argument could apply to a lot of captains in Starfleet.

Unless the OP wants to chime in, I'm going to take it at face value.

OK, then. I thought that most people taking 'bipolar' in its clinical sense were being disingenuous. Apparently not. This certainly doesn't say much for the character of Janeway that she can seriously be discussed this way. But, all right, I'm half buying it--she is flakey.
 
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