Best episode of the series. WH13 has gone from a fluff show with hot girl and goofy guy leads to one that can do credible, even convincing, drama.
Warehouse 13 - Season 3 - Finale!
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i'm a little ocnfused with Jinx (the finale, and the season)....when exactly did he know he was undercover, and who told him? He seemed for real about Mrs. Fredrickson. And was her "crossing the line" real?
Jinx's power seems to be able to detect intentional lying. But if a person doesn't know they are telling a lie, or if they are making a joke (something they personally believe would not be taken as an intentional lie), Steve misses it. But it felt inconsistent through the season. I felt like they were just forming him as a character....but now he's gone?
I have grown to like Warehouse 13, and it looks like it'll fill the void (in my viewing time) left by Eureka. How long is the wait until the new season?
Jinx's power seems to be able to detect intentional lying. But if a person doesn't know they are telling a lie, or if they are making a joke (something they personally believe would not be taken as an intentional lie), Steve misses it. But it felt inconsistent through the season. I felt like they were just forming him as a character....but now he's gone?
I have grown to like Warehouse 13, and it looks like it'll fill the void (in my viewing time) left by Eureka. How long is the wait until the new season?
Eureka will be back next year won't it, for a fifth 12 episode season?
^Yes, the fifth and final season has been filmed of Eureka.
All lying is intentional if you think about it. Not knowing the truth is ignorance. Both lead to giving out erroneous information. Jinks could tell when someone was lying, plain and simple. He could not tell when someone was giving out bad information they thought was true. It was portrayed very consistently in the show and he even mentioned it when questioning "not" Wells.
As for when he went undercover, I am guessing there was an "off screen" conversation after he held the gun to CCh Pounder's character.
All lying is intentional if you think about it. Not knowing the truth is ignorance. Both lead to giving out erroneous information. Jinks could tell when someone was lying, plain and simple. He could not tell when someone was giving out bad information they thought was true. It was portrayed very consistently in the show and he even mentioned it when questioning "not" Wells.
As for when he went undercover, I am guessing there was an "off screen" conversation after he held the gun to CCh Pounder's character.
It is just speculation, but I assume Jinks had that conversation with Mrs. Frederick before his scripted ethical dilemma.
Pissing Jinks off, firing him then talking to him about being an undercover agent? It makes more sense if it was all planned before they interrogated Sally.
Pissing Jinks off, firing him then talking to him about being an undercover agent? It makes more sense if it was all planned before they interrogated Sally.
^^ That was my assumption as well.
^^^You're saying Jinks was fine with Mrs. Frederick's torture, and agree with the show that torture works as an interrorgation tool, then.
The first one's a stretch, particularly since they've used Jinks to set up a Claudia vs. warehouse for next season. And the second may be popular but it's reactionary BS.
The first one's a stretch, particularly since they've used Jinks to set up a Claudia vs. warehouse for next season. And the second may be popular but it's reactionary BS.
this also allowed Sally to report to wheelchair guy that Steve was possibly sympathetic to their cause
I don't think Jinks was fine with the torture, he obviously had some misgivings, but Mrs Frederick convinced him that he had to go undercover
also, that WH12 Tesla, and the Tesla rifles were awesome
^^^If all the characters agree that the torture was okay, then there's no dramatic conflict. There's just the "fun" of watching Mrs. Frederick break bad and Jinks faking out the baddies with fake humanitarian wuss. Also, Warehouse 13 is about the heroes winning, not about the audience making choices about who they consider the hero.
And, didn't the off screen dialogue go something like this?
Mrs. Frederick: We're going to play good cop and bad cop. I'll torture her, and then you'll protest, and get her wanting to please you. Maybe she'll let something slip then.
Jinks: Sounds like a good plan, but I want to volunteer for a better one. I won't just protest, but I'll pull my weapon on you. She'll escape, then you'll pretend to fire me and burn me. The bad guys will obviously want to recruit me and I'll get the drop on them.
That's just plain bad but something like it must have been taken place according to the it-was-all-a-setup theory.
Incidentally, the whole notion that the Regents could be villains forgets that they have the artifacts. If they were villains, it would all be over and we'd be living in their world.
And, didn't the off screen dialogue go something like this?
Mrs. Frederick: We're going to play good cop and bad cop. I'll torture her, and then you'll protest, and get her wanting to please you. Maybe she'll let something slip then.
Jinks: Sounds like a good plan, but I want to volunteer for a better one. I won't just protest, but I'll pull my weapon on you. She'll escape, then you'll pretend to fire me and burn me. The bad guys will obviously want to recruit me and I'll get the drop on them.
That's just plain bad but something like it must have been taken place according to the it-was-all-a-setup theory.
Incidentally, the whole notion that the Regents could be villains forgets that they have the artifacts. If they were villains, it would all be over and we'd be living in their world.
I agree it is overly complicated. But compare it to the other way.
Jinks pulls a gun on his employer, and gets fired. At some later point he gets approached by the bad guys who want to recruit him. Instead of joining them immediately he contacts Mrs. F and tells her(despite his anger at her and her methods) that he wants to be a double agent and still work for her.
I'll take the the it-was-all-staged option, considering how the show has taken great pains to give Mrs. F near omniscience, and supposedly knows her W13 agents extremely well.
Jinks pulls a gun on his employer, and gets fired. At some later point he gets approached by the bad guys who want to recruit him. Instead of joining them immediately he contacts Mrs. F and tells her(despite his anger at her and her methods) that he wants to be a double agent and still work for her.
I'll take the the it-was-all-staged option, considering how the show has taken great pains to give Mrs. F near omniscience, and supposedly knows her W13 agents extremely well.
Anyone been able to find some good reference pics of the Warehouse 12 Proto-Tesla?
No, I'm saying Jinks was in on it from the start. He may or may not have been fine with it-- probably more like accepting it as a necessary evil, not as an interrogation tool, but as a motivating factor for Sally to believe his insubordination. In fact, the torture makes much more sense in that context.
As for setting up a Claudia versus the Warehouse arc, if that happens it won't be because of any torture. She angry over the death of her friend and blaming the regents. It doesn't make sense, because it was a good plan that he was fully on board with, but she is clearly being irrational in the wake of a good friend's death.
Well, we don't know if ALL the characters agree...
But, that didn't seem to be the point you were making. But maybe it's how your sentence was structured.
I was just responding to the above. Which looks like you're saying that someone thinks that Jinks was fine with the torture AND that they, the viewer, also agrees that torture is acceptable.
I'm just saying: I, as a viewer, don't always agree with the actions the characters take. Which is good. It makes things more interesting.
Maybe the creators are changing the direction a little bit.... we'll have to see...
I'm sure it was something like that. But, there's also the possibility that it happened after that scene. The two people who could answer aren't in a position to do so....
That supposes a definition of villain whose goal is only to obviously take over the world. Villainy could take many forms. Many of those artifacts could be used for good. Why should they be locked away? The Agents are using them all the time for good....
