Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

[Turtletrekker]

Vanity Fair piece on Kevin Feige and WandaVision.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywoo...DZJW11yfDFv7Y2G3akHrSkrnI5ZPgUA3-3dqy9I6VsegE

 

[Henoch]

I bet the calendar date in WandaVision has something to do with the creation of the Fantastic Four (issue #1 came out in Nov. 1961, so, the Marvel Superhero spark may have been born on that date). Hence, this could be a nod to the introduction of the Fantastic Four in the MCU.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I think an unified theory of magic is being developed which started in Doctor Strange. I suspect all magic is "taken" from other dimensions and some of these dimensions have rulers. Along these lines, the Infinity Stones each take power from some extra-dimension. For example, Wanda's magic was opened by the Mind Stone which takes from Mephisto's dimension of Hell/Hades. YMMV .

Oh, I like that theory! I don't know if that's what they're going towards but I think that's an interesting concept.

Could the Strucker Watch indicate that Hydra is "watch"-ing you, hence a clue to who has Wanda? The person in both commercials is the man in charge? We can make ourselves crazy trying to put a clue to everything we see.

I was thinking along those lines when I commented on the commercials in my review. I think they're definitely more than "just" commercials, especially since they both featured the same actors/characters.

 

[Maurice]

Oh, I thought Multiverse of Madness came out next year, and then Homecoming 3 was 2023.

What made you feel this way? There were absolutely no references or connections to the movies, and pretty everything you needed know was set up in the episodes.

That their powers are ill defined for one thing. That might've worked better if they'd started with the Bewitched style fantasy comedy instead of The Dick Van Dyke Show workplace/home comedy. So there's some presumption of familiarity. Not an impassable barrier to entry, but certainly a slight impediment to a viewer coming in cold.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Oh, I like that theory! I don't know if that's what they're going towards but I think that's an interesting concept.


I was thinking along those lines when I commented on the commercials in my review. I think they're definitely more than "just" commercials, especially since they both featured the same actors/characters.

My guess is, the items advertised represent the greatest influences on Wanda‘s life.
The bomb that set her in a path of revenge against Tony, Strucker/Hydra who turned her into an Enhanced.
My guess for the next one would feature Ultron in some shape or form of symbolism.

 

[Turtletrekker]

My guess is, the items advertised represent the greatest influences on Wanda‘s life.
The bomb that set her in a path of revenge against Tony, Strucker/Hydra who turned her into an Enhanced.
My guess for the next one would feature Ultron in some shape or form of symbolism.

And in case the first commercial we saw the red light on the toaster beeping faster just before the food was done in the second commercial we heard the watch ticking faster at the very end. Representative of...? Time speeding up? Time running out?

 

[Jedi Marso]

This show wasn't even on my radar but I had some time to burn today and the eps aren't very long, so I decided to give it a go.

Interesting. I saw reruns of most of the old shows parodied here when I was a kid, and thought their styles were artfully recreated within the confines of this show. Clearly something is going on that Wanda isn't consciously aware of, and since I like mind-bendy / twisty sort of stories I think I'm going to see this one through.

The other interesting thing to me, and something I love, is the idea the Feige and his cohorts are willing to use what may be something of a 'niche' show to set up something entirely different, the way the MCU has done from the beginning leading up to the various Avengers outings. It takes the meaning of 'slow burn' and 'payoff' to entirely new levels. I think if DC hadn't been trying to jump-start the same kind of success that Marvel has, their movies could have been a lot better and the fans more invested.

Overall: pleasantly surprised, and will continue to watch. It doesn't hurt that rarely do you see a couple of actors so obviously and thoroughly enjoying what they're doing. It shows.

 

[kirk55555]

1) I'm not reacting to your criticism. I'm reacting to your anger towards the show and creators, which seems disproportionate to the crime of making a TV show you don't like.

2) WandaVision almost certainly will not be essential viewing for future MCU projects. If you look at the previous MCU films... you didn't really have to see any of the other films to watch any of them except Endgame. They're all designed to give you a feeling of reward if you do recognize the shared continuity elements, but they're also all designed pretty carefully to make sure that randos off the street who have never seen an MCU movie before can follow things without any problems. I would be extremely, extremely surprised if they designed Doctor Stronge and the Multiverse of Madness so that you couldn't watch it without seeing WandaVision first. That would be very bad business practice -- and Marvel Studios are nothing if not good businesspeople.

3) I strongly disagree with your analysis of WandaVision -- I think that the deliberate contrast between the conventions of 1950s and 1960s television domestic situation comedies and the darker story that's ticking away under the surface is really interesting and does a lot to subvert the sitcom tropes, and I think Wanda is coming across as a three-dimensional character for the first time (e.g., her apparent desire to hide from the world in the sitcom when she's confronting with something potentially threatening, her insistence that Vision be the one to deal with unpleasant situations that violate the conventions of the sitcom genre rather than dealing with them herself, etc.). But if that doesn't work for you, that's legit! Sometimes a given genre's aesthetics and conventions are so not to one's taste that even if they're well-executed, one doesn't enjoy it. That's fine. But I promise you -- I promise you -- you will be happier if you turn WandaVision off and don't spend your mental energy hurling vitriol at the show and its creators over the Internet.

Nope, I'm going to keep watching and posting my opinions here. You are free to ignore my posts if you dont like it.

While there are some MCU shows coming out that I intend to skip, its the pointless crap like Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk. Wandavision is probably not technically required, but events in this show are definitely going to affect Wanda leading into Doctor Strange 2, and also a few other characters, so I'm going to watch it and comment on it.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Nope, I'm going to keep watching and posting my opinions here. You are free to ignore my posts if you dont like it.

While there are some MCU shows coming out that I intend to skip, its the pointless crap like Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk. Wandavision is probably not technically required, but events in this show are definitely going to affect Wanda leading into Doctor Strange 2, and also a few other characters, so I'm going to watch it and comment on it.

Marvel Studio thanks you for your support and hopes you continue to enjoy WandaVision.
We are looking forward to seeing you with our other exciting new programs like She-Hulk and especially Ms. Marvel

 

[CorporalClegg]

I liked it. It's fresh and dares wander off the expected path.

I only have a little passing knowledge of Wanda's story from the old books, but I do know that it got really dark (in a sort of horrific real-life way).

Assuming that's the direction they intend to go, then I can see why they wanted to start off with such an ethereal bang.

 

[kirk55555]

We are looking forward to seeing you with our other exciting new programs like She-Hulk and especially Ms. Marvel

I won't be watching either of those, Ms Marvel because I don't even like the character in the comics and She-hulk because she's not going to be she-hulk with the shitty showrunner and actress they hired. If if I can go literally years without watching most of the CW DC shows outside of the Flash, I can easily ignore the show based on a character I can't stand anyway, and even as someone who considers She-Hulk to be my favorite Marvel hero, the hiring for that show so rancid I'll skip it just like I'm skipping CWs Superman show even though I really like Superman because of its terrible decisions.

if Wandavision wasn't supposed to at least partially set up multiverse of Madness Id drop it and just read synopsis online.

It's not like I have Disney+ specifically for the MCU stuff anyway, and all those shows are going to succeed even if they're bad just based off being Marvel stuff, so my watching doesn't matter even from an analytics perspective.

 

[Sci]

Nope, I'm going to keep watching and posting my opinions here.

Well, if you want to subject yourself to a thing that makes you upset, that's certainly your business. But you should bear in mind that at the end of the day, the only thing Disney really cares about in terms of whether or not to produce a show is how many of their streaming subscribers watch it. So all you're going to do if you keep watching this show you hate is encourage Disney to keep making it and shows like it.

While there are some MCU shows coming out that I intend to skip, its the pointless crap like Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk.

I am astonished that your precognitive abilities allow you to evaluate the quality of television programs that have not yet finished production!

 

[kirk55555]

Well, if you want to subject yourself to a thing that makes you upset, that's certainly your business. But you should bear in mind that at the end of the day, the only thing Disney really cares about in terms of whether or not to produce a show is how many of their streaming subscribers watch it. So all you're going to do if you keep watching this show you hate is encourage Disney to keep making it and shows like it.



I am astonished that your precognitive abilities allow you to evaluate the quality of television programs that have not yet finished production!

like I said above, my viewing doesn't matter because the shows are going to succeed regardless of their quality.

as for my precognitive abilities, You can predict the quality of the show based on actors and showrunner, kind of like how every show Scott Buck makes, like inhumans and Iron Fist, were shit. She Hulk has a terrible showrunner and a bad actress, not hard to predict how it's going to turn out.

I can't stand the current Ms Marvel in any form of media, I'm glad she exists for the demographic that likes her but I don't like most Marvel teen Heroes. I prefer DC's way of making most teen Heroes not have to deal with parents or school drama, as opposed to Marvel's more grounded approach that loves that stuff. So, just like how I completely skipped Cloak and Dagger, skipping Ms Marvel is obvious and will be pretty easy to do.

 

[Sci]

like I said above, my viewing doesn't matter because the shows are going to succeed regardless of their quality.

Seems counter-intuitive to watch a show you hate when you know that doing so will just add to the numbers that will prompt Disney to keep making it and things like it, but, hey, it's your life.

as for my precognitive abilities, You can predict the quality of the show based on actors and showrunner, kind of like how every show Scott Buck makes, like inhumans and Iron Fist, were shit. She Hulk has a terrible showrunner and a bad actress, not hard to predict how it's going to turn out.

Jessica Gao won the Primetime Emmy for Outstanding Animated Program in 2018. Tatiana Maslany was nominated for the 2014 Golden Globe Award for Best Actress - Television Series Drama, the 2015 Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Drama Series, the 2014 Canadian Screen Award for Best Performance by an Actress in a Leade Role, the 2014 ACTRA Award for Outstanding Performance - Female, the 2005 Gemini Award for Best Performance in a Children's or Youth Program or Series, the 2010 Genie Award for Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role, and the the 2015 Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series; Maslany has won the 2017 Canadian Screen Award Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role, the 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Canadian Screen Awards Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Dramatic Role, the 2014 Critics' Choice Television Award for Best Lead Actress in a Drama Series, the 2013 and 2015 ACTRA Awards for Outstanding Performance - Female, the 2010 Sundance Film Festival World Cinema Special Jury Prize for Acting, and the 2016 Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series.

I think I will enjoy She-Hulk.

can't stand the current Ms Marvel in any form of media, I'm glad she exists for the demographic that likes her but I don't like most Marvel teen Heroes. I prefer DC's way of making most teen Heroes not have to deal with parents or school drama, as opposed to Marvel's more grounded approach that loves that stuff. So, just like how I completely skipped Cloak and Dagger, skipping Ms Marvel is obvious and will be pretty easy to do.

I loved G. Willow Wilson's run on Ms. Marvel and Kamala Khan is one of my favorite superheroes. I'm really looking forward to the television adaptation.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

like I said above, my viewing doesn't matter because the shows are going to succeed regardless of their quality.

as for my precognitive abilities, You can predict the quality of the show based on actors and showrunner, kind of like how every show Scott Buck makes, like inhumans and Iron Fist, were shit. She Hulk has a terrible showrunner and a bad actress, not hard to predict how it's going to turn out.

I can't stand the current Ms Marvel in any form of media, I'm glad she exists for the demographic that likes her but I don't like most Marvel teen Heroes. I prefer DC's way of making most teen Heroes not have to deal with parents or school drama, as opposed to Marvel's more grounded approach that loves that stuff. So, just like how I completely skipped Cloak and Dagger, skipping Ms Marvel is obvious and will be pretty easy to do.

I hope you do a better job ignoring those shows than my you did my post.
Back to your regular programming now.
That was enough of an intermission.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Oh, I thought Multiverse of Madness came out next year, and then Homecoming 3 was 2023.

What made you feel this way? There were absolutely no references or connections to the movies, and pretty everything you needed know was set up in the episodes.

No, SM3 is set for this December (barring further covid delays, obviously).

 

[urbandefault]

I noticed that most of the outdoor scenes were shot at the Warner Ranch, where a ton of movies and TV shows were filmed. Wanda and Vision are in the Griswold house, next door to the Lethal Weapon (Hazel) house, which is next to the Bewitched house, which is across the street from "The Middle" house, next to the Partridge house, etc. etc. The pool is in the park near the Small Soldiers house, almost directly across from the Partridge house.

The gazebo is on the main Warner backlot, and was used in Gilmore Girls and Hart of Dixie.

I may have missed a few things.

 

[Mage]

Certainly very intriguing so far. Two episodes is not enough to either judge the show on or get an idea of where it's going, but I'm pulled in enough to want to know where it's heading.

Paul and Elizabeth do have a wonderful chemistry together I feel.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I noticed that most of the outdoor scenes were shot at the Warner Ranch, where a ton of movies and TV shows were filmed. Wanda and Vision are in the Griswold house, next door to the Lethal Weapon (Hazel) house, which is next to the Bewitched house, which is across the street from "The Middle" house, next to the Partridge house, etc. etc. The pool is in the park near the Small Soldiers house, almost directly across from the Partridge house.

The gazebo is on the main Warner backlot, and was used in Gilmore Girls and Hart of Dixie.

I may have missed a few things.

If Wanda were attempting to create some sort of idyllic life for her and Vision, it might make sense to populate it with memories of shows she might have watched while growing up; which would explain the use of the Warner Ranch.

My guess would be as the show moves closer towards reality, the neighborhood might start looking more contemporary/realistic.

 

[Kelthaz]

I watched both episodes last night and I am enjoying the show so far, but the sitcom setting is starting to wear a bit thin. I hope the entire season isn't going to be just recycled I Love Lucy plots with a tiny tease of what's really going on until the finale. I'm ready for the payoff to start happening.