Voyager: The Ending You Would Have Preferred
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This actually has a lot of merit. They showed us a pretty good future, which is why so many people have a problem with the Admiral mucking with it. Understandable. If they had showed us a future like, say, the one from the episode of TNG with all of the Enterprises popping up. The Federation overrun with Borg. Few starships left. Admiral Janeway makes one last ditch effort to deal the Borg a crippling blow in the past. The episode could then go on similar to what we saw and there would be a lot fewer people complaining about it.
The reason I got started writing fan fiction, the first story I wrote was an attempt to give an explanation to “Endgame”. It’s a first story with a lot of new writer flaws but I think the idea holds up and yes I guess it’s the way I wanted Voyager to end.
The premise is that everything you saw on screen actually happened but that there were parts that you hadn’t seen. We know “Admiral Janeway” told people why she came back in time, but what if there were other reasons?
So my extrapolation is that there is one part of the assimilation process that cannot be removed and that each person including Picard, Janeway, B’Elanna, Tuvok, Seven, Icheb and even Chakotay through the link given him in “Unity” has that link in their body and through the link the Borg still have some control of that person without them ever knowing it.
It took the deaths of Seven, Chakotay, Picard and finally Icheb to isolate the cause, and for the Doctor to be able to design some protection for Admiral Janeway, because when the victim questioned or got close to the truth they died.
It was Guinan that perceived the time-line was wrong and that the Borg were deliberately altering events to prevent one child from being born, a child that would grow up to defeat them. So Admiral Janeway assuming that the child was Chakotay’s and Seven went back in time to save her and ultimately humanity. As it turns out in the end, the child that is important isn’t Seven’s with Chakotay. It’s Seven’s with Axum.
Brit
The premise is that everything you saw on screen actually happened but that there were parts that you hadn’t seen. We know “Admiral Janeway” told people why she came back in time, but what if there were other reasons?
So my extrapolation is that there is one part of the assimilation process that cannot be removed and that each person including Picard, Janeway, B’Elanna, Tuvok, Seven, Icheb and even Chakotay through the link given him in “Unity” has that link in their body and through the link the Borg still have some control of that person without them ever knowing it.
It took the deaths of Seven, Chakotay, Picard and finally Icheb to isolate the cause, and for the Doctor to be able to design some protection for Admiral Janeway, because when the victim questioned or got close to the truth they died.
It was Guinan that perceived the time-line was wrong and that the Borg were deliberately altering events to prevent one child from being born, a child that would grow up to defeat them. So Admiral Janeway assuming that the child was Chakotay’s and Seven went back in time to save her and ultimately humanity. As it turns out in the end, the child that is important isn’t Seven’s with Chakotay. It’s Seven’s with Axum.
Brit
(*Off to Brit's Fan fic site to find that story*)
No, I would have loved to see a lot more of this. There were so many episodes where I just sat hoping for more.
True, the future Admiral Janeway came running back to avert wasn't horrible or disasterous. Going back and potentially giving the Borg future technology could easily have caused a far worse future. She just wanted to get her rocks off with Chakotay!
I went with the "Make it home to the AQ before the finale" choice. One of the major things that got to me about the finale was how there was virtually no aftermath, so ultimately we never saw why they needed to go home in the first place. No motivation, no payoff to seven years of travelling. No reunion with loved ones, no cache of DQ knowledge and technology, no sense of real victory of getting home.
A few episodes would have been spent ending the arcs for some of these characters. Maybe then the Chakotay/Seven relationship wouldn't seem so far fetched. Also, we're lead to believe that for seven years, each character branches out in his/her own way, let's see where those branches take them. We don't need a dystopic, war-ravaged Federation (like nBSG), we don't need them to take on missions, we the viewer need either closure or mystery, but not a lack of both. If Trek is about optimism in the future, then let's see our characters' optimism actually pay off after seven years of investment.
With that said, I wouldn't mind it if the finale actually had the crew reuniting and heading out for the Delta Quadrant after spending some time in their respective worlds, not out of moral obligation or necessity or against their will (like Lost), but because they want to, if it turns out that the last seven years of their lives turned out to be their glory days after all. What better way to emphasize Voyager's theme of the journey being more worthy than the destination?
A few episodes would have been spent ending the arcs for some of these characters. Maybe then the Chakotay/Seven relationship wouldn't seem so far fetched. Also, we're lead to believe that for seven years, each character branches out in his/her own way, let's see where those branches take them. We don't need a dystopic, war-ravaged Federation (like nBSG), we don't need them to take on missions, we the viewer need either closure or mystery, but not a lack of both. If Trek is about optimism in the future, then let's see our characters' optimism actually pay off after seven years of investment.
With that said, I wouldn't mind it if the finale actually had the crew reuniting and heading out for the Delta Quadrant after spending some time in their respective worlds, not out of moral obligation or necessity or against their will (like Lost), but because they want to, if it turns out that the last seven years of their lives turned out to be their glory days after all. What better way to emphasize Voyager's theme of the journey being more worthy than the destination?
one forgets about hope and optimism when janeway really just seems to be about blowing stuff up... Now imagine if instead of killing "a" Queen and fraking a crossroads Janeway and Voyager had come to terms with the Borg and made peace? Every other story in star trek before Voyager had been to a degree about making friends with your enemies. Building communities instead of building siege towers.
What would Kathy have had to done to get ont he Queens good side?
What would Kathy have had to done to get ont he Queens good side?
I would have forgiven all the bad episodes of the whole series if at the end there was this scene....
SEVEN : We have one minute before the passage home will collapse. Why the hesitation, Captain?
JANEWAY : Ever get a chance to read up on some of Starfleet's history, Seven?
SEVEN (confused) : Captain?
JANEWAY : If we go through that tunnel, take the easy way home....we boldly go....nowhere. I prefer to go boldly, don't you? Ahead warp seven.
Or even.....
(Still staring at the passage home)
PARIS : I don't know, Captain...
JANEWAY : What about, Tom?
PARIS : I remember reading somewhere that....risk is our business.
JANEWAY (slow smile) : It is. Set course for home with plenty of risk.
PARIS : Aye, aye, ma'am.
(EXTERIOR: Voyager preparing to go into warp. Janeway VO : "Tom, what have I told you...." Voyager leaps into warp towards an uncertain future.)
That would have been a beautiful ending, I think.
SEVEN : We have one minute before the passage home will collapse. Why the hesitation, Captain?
JANEWAY : Ever get a chance to read up on some of Starfleet's history, Seven?
SEVEN (confused) : Captain?
JANEWAY : If we go through that tunnel, take the easy way home....we boldly go....nowhere. I prefer to go boldly, don't you? Ahead warp seven.
Or even.....
(Still staring at the passage home)
PARIS : I don't know, Captain...
JANEWAY : What about, Tom?
PARIS : I remember reading somewhere that....risk is our business.
JANEWAY (slow smile) : It is. Set course for home with plenty of risk.
PARIS : Aye, aye, ma'am.
(EXTERIOR: Voyager preparing to go into warp. Janeway VO : "Tom, what have I told you...." Voyager leaps into warp towards an uncertain future.)
That would have been a beautiful ending, I think.
Well, thank goodness Voyager does not need your forgiveness, because something like that would have been totally out of character for Janeway who was all about getting her crew home since Caretaker. I would have rather seen them finding a possible way to get home, possibly some other way than the Borg conduit, and failing in their attemp.
Yeah but I would have liked to have seen her actually have some character growth...and to me, such an ending would have been more in keeping with the spirit of Star Trek.
To me, anyway. Trek is exploration, the wonder of the unknown.
Finding an easy way home is....the antithesis of that.
To me, anyway. Trek is exploration, the wonder of the unknown.
Finding an easy way home is....the antithesis of that.
They were 4 years from meeting two new and hopefully not evil UFP Starships in Endgame whereupon they would be back tracking those ships flight paths through already tested waters now friendly to the Federation. Janeway wasn't as nearly way out ther ein deep space as she assumed.
I was fine with the way it ended, but would have canned the filler episode before endgame and made it a three parter. I felt a bit cheated with no epilogue and they could have dealt a bit with the way things went down fro Admiral Janeway's timeline.
I wouldn't have minded seeing a montage with old age make up, showing each of the main crew dying of natural causes and looking like they're well over a hundred in the process, y'know except for Tuvok and the other Vulcans who seem unchanged, until it's Captain Tuvok and 50 year old Naomi on the bridge... and a silver haired Kim in one of those life support rigs like Pike was queesed into.
Though I can see Janeway getting angry that Seven isn't aging either nd she's demanding nanite treatment for the rest of the crew to maintain the rest of crew, and herselfs, youth as they are begging for partial assimilation.
Though I can see Janeway getting angry that Seven isn't aging either nd she's demanding nanite treatment for the rest of the crew to maintain the rest of crew, and herselfs, youth as they are begging for partial assimilation.
I agree. Finding the easy way home did not work for me either.
A morally bankrupt Captain would have accepted the Q's bribe to frce Quinn to live. A more hard up, less frigid, sexually adventurous Captain would have slept with Q and the kid would have taken her home.
Janeway's moral fortitude prevented her from accepting Q's bribe... it'd be almost as bad as stealing time travel tech and wiping out twenty-six years of galactic history.
Oh wait...
From bone to surface it takes 7 years to replace all your Skin, Admiral Kathy was a new woman all over again almost four times than our Captain...However if the junior burger definition of the character would have taken advantage of the microwoemhole leading into historic Romulan space from Eye of the Needle, well, then Kathryn would have only destroyed 20 years worth of recorded history. I mean killing 20 years of time is way more less evil than killing 26 years of time right? But then the concerns of a child are spilt milk to an adult.
I wonder how Miral Paris "tested" the device, since she claimed that it worked, and how many other tests had been done while the device was being owned by the klingons that that time line could have been incredibly, incredibly wrong.
I wonder how Miral Paris "tested" the device, since she claimed that it worked, and how many other tests had been done while the device was being owned by the klingons that that time line could have been incredibly, incredibly wrong.
