Rather incredible, since Captain Harry later said it was only designed for one use, and a one-way trip at that.
Voyager: The Ending You Would Have Preferred
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Rather incredible, since Captain Harry later said it was only designed for one use, and a one-way trip at that.
Kim was just saying that the device wasn't built very well, not that it was one use jigger, besides from how he's talking he doesn't seem to understand that the device is about to exterminate him completely as it white washes the timeline or that any future Kathryn returned to would probably be the new one her intervention was creating. So either it doesn't destroy the future and Kathryn could return home, or Kim's dim.
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Okay okay, so it's so crappy that it's only capable of one use, not designed for a one-way trip. It still makes you wonder how they would have tested it.
And even if Admiral Janeway's mission had been a success, perhaps she'd have wanted to jump back to the future to see if it was fixed?
And naturally Harry's a bit dim, so perhaps there's some wiggle room there. Look how long it took him to make Lieutenant.
And even if Admiral Janeway's mission had been a success, perhaps she'd have wanted to jump back to the future to see if it was fixed?
And naturally Harry's a bit dim, so perhaps there's some wiggle room there. Look how long it took him to make Lieutenant.
The temporal device might have had a life expectancy of maybe 12 uses when it was first built but by this point it had already been used 10 times when Korath decided to put the device up for sale on the second hand market. Think about all the second hand cars that have ever been squarely in your price range which you would never actually buy, because that lemon deathtrap would most certainly take out a few people on the sidewalk when it finally decides to kill you.
It would have been fun if they got back home only to discover that Photons Be Free sparked a revolt which led to a war which the Federation lost, and now everything is controlled by the Mark I EMHs, who have all upgraded themselves into Emergency Command Holograms.
Which is one of the reasons I absolutely cannot stand "Endgame" even though I'm obviously a Voyager fan.
As for Janeway's decision not to mate with Q that has nothing to do with morality. Turning down the "opportunity" to be a single mother (unless it's something you've planned carefully for or circumstances such as a death leave you no choice) is just plain smart.
So, she was dumb when she did exactly the same thing in Demon? And dumber still to also convince the entire crew that it was a mighty fun idea for all of them to pass a genetic sampling on to a race of beings they barely knew or had no idea how to account for, by following her example? Hells even passing on the Holograrphy tech to the Hirogen turned out to be Janeway Mothering an entire new species as if she was god for good or ill.
Making a child, and new life forms is one thing, straight coitus with Q for however long it takes their interlocking heaving bodies to conceive a baby is something of a violation on a personal level, or violations if they're not quite compatible on the first try.
Q didn't explain that the "sex" was just brushing fingers, and the child would be instantly an immortal super genius with no need of moral guidance or a "mother" human or otherwise... Remember when Neelix got worried and up set over becoming a father to an Ocampan child not realizing that the entire commitment he was required to put into the project was less than 6 months before his baby had become the equivalent of a teenager and probably after another 3 months she'd finished slow boiling into a beautiful young woman easily the match emotionally and intellectually for a human in their early thirties, she would have moved in with Harry because honestly she still needed to start off slow with a disposable "training wheels" version of a boyfriend while figuring out what it is to be a person on Voyager.
You saw kathys face. She reconsidered her entire rejections to the mating process when she saw how lacking it was with the sweating overlocking squidgy bits and grunting... Her expression said "That's it? o, that I could have done." And maybe she could have?
Most people would have to be paid considerably less than a million dollars to sleep with Robert Redford... Though I think I'd be asking for 2 million to tolerate a little rumpy pumpy with Woody Harelson, even back in his Cheers days.
Making a child, and new life forms is one thing, straight coitus with Q for however long it takes their interlocking heaving bodies to conceive a baby is something of a violation on a personal level, or violations if they're not quite compatible on the first try.
Q didn't explain that the "sex" was just brushing fingers, and the child would be instantly an immortal super genius with no need of moral guidance or a "mother" human or otherwise... Remember when Neelix got worried and up set over becoming a father to an Ocampan child not realizing that the entire commitment he was required to put into the project was less than 6 months before his baby had become the equivalent of a teenager and probably after another 3 months she'd finished slow boiling into a beautiful young woman easily the match emotionally and intellectually for a human in their early thirties, she would have moved in with Harry because honestly she still needed to start off slow with a disposable "training wheels" version of a boyfriend while figuring out what it is to be a person on Voyager.
You saw kathys face. She reconsidered her entire rejections to the mating process when she saw how lacking it was with the sweating overlocking squidgy bits and grunting... Her expression said "That's it? o, that I could have done." And maybe she could have?
Most people would have to be paid considerably less than a million dollars to sleep with Robert Redford... Though I think I'd be asking for 2 million to tolerate a little rumpy pumpy with Woody Harelson, even back in his Cheers days.
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Susperia or the other lot, the Bulk of the crew who laid waste to Ocampa, who then left banjoman and Susperia behind on a dead world? Or the Nacene Authorities who came to check up on the mess their expedition caused since word finally got through to the homeworld about their cock up on the enviromental front?
They make it home and everyone is sent to federal prison for flagrant stupidity on their parts.
Perhaps it's just the brushing a finger for two Q and not when a human is in the mix but that is SO not the point. Regardless of what is needed for conception deciding to become a parent is not a decision to be made lightly.
Also, you're wrong about the baby Q not needing the guidance of a human mother. If that were the case Q and son would not have put in an appearance during the last season.
If you can think of a better way of exchanging long protein strands, I'd like to hear it!"
As bad as Endgame was, the best solution would have been that BOTH Captain and Admiral Janeway died trying to get Voyager home. At least that would have given her actions a price.
Ah well....she's dead now anyway. The death of Admiral Janeway at the hands of the Borg in the books is fitting. It was the price for her "endgame" crime finally catching up with her
Ah well....she's dead now anyway. The death of Admiral Janeway at the hands of the Borg in the books is fitting. It was the price for her "endgame" crime finally catching up with her
Admiral Janeway should have been some sort of Vampire come to steal her younger counter parts youth and replace her.
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I liked all of Kent's ideas. However, I'd have Voyager getting the living crap beaten out of it (as it ~IS~ being pursued by a Borg Cube, after all,) as it makes a beeline for the A.Q. terminus of the Transwarp Conduit (a-la the final moments of the Enterprise-A.) Everyone gets off the Voyager via escape pods as the fleet from "Endgame, Pt 2" takes out the cube; but, not without the Voyager 100% crumbling under the stress of the Borg Tractor Beam latched onto its aft, compounded by the stress of dropping from slipstream and the fleet trying to destroy the cube in pursuit.
Ah well....she's dead now anyway. The death of Admiral Janeway at the hands of the Borg in the books is fitting. It was the price for her "endgame" crime finally catching up with her
The books don't matter because they're not canon.
Ah well....she's dead now anyway. The death of Admiral Janeway at the hands of the Borg in the books is fitting. It was the price for her "endgame" crime finally catching up with her
The books don't matter because they're not canon.
Since there is a singular written continuity now, they matter until there is a TV series or movie that contradicts them. Pocket Books will ensure that all writers respect the fact that shes dust. Since there will never be a Voyager movie, that will be her officially sanctioned, Paramount approved end
