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Voyager - Second Chances

if you didn't like Voyager, then you will find it unsavory that it was ranked #14 in some stupid "50 best sci fi shows of all time" yet DS9 didn't make said list

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/
So some guy in Boston thought DS9 was a rip-off of B5, it's no skin off my nose. It would be nice if everyone loved DS9 as much as I, but I also must celebrate the diversity in this Trek community and the world.

Except for the smelly Mongolians! :p
 
if you didn't like Voyager, then you will find it unsavory that it was ranked #14 in some stupid "50 best sci fi shows of all time" yet DS9 didn't make said list

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/

That doesn't bother me at all. There will always be fans of stuff that I don't understand, and I'm sure there are lots of things that I love that nobody else understands! :lol: I don't know why that would bother anyone actually, as those kinds of lists are fun to make and read but they don't really comment on the quality of the programs included (or not as the case may be) - and they can't take away the enjoyment that fans of this or that series felt; they just reflect the views of those posting them...and that's fine. More power to them. I make lists about pointless stuff all the time. :cool: It's part of my charm. I hope. lol
 
The list was terrible. Voyager did belong on it, although some DS9ers will tell you different, but so did DS9. It was almost a random list o' sci-fi shows.
 
"Set a course for home"
== Credits Role ==
(What we didn't see)
Kim: Captain, we're being hailed, it's Captain Braxton.
Janeway: Oh no

Braxton: Sorry Kathryn, can't have this, back to the Delta Quadrant you go.

Kim: Captain there's some kind of coherent tetryon beam behind us...

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
A tale of a fateful trip
That started from DS9,
Aboard this tiny ship...
 
Loved TNG after it stopped being gay the first couple of seasons.
Because that's not mildly offensive... :vulcan:

But how else would you describe this?

maninaskant.jpg
Physical proof that genders are considered equal in the 24th century, and associated cultural expectations have been dropped? That no only is a woman allowed to wear pants, but a man is allowed to wear a skirt, because there is no division?

(Sorry, I know it was all a joke, but I started typing this anyway for some reason, and I sure as heck ain't gonna quit now!:p)
 
I pay so little attention to the extras that I never even noticed this guy. But you know, in TNG sometimes Picard and Riker wore skirts. I remember at least one ep involving a L'Woxana visit in which they "dressed" up.
 
PTI

I can't understand why Spike can't get their timing right at 3 AM. The station always say playing Voyager but some Moments Caught on Video program is playing half the time.

Other times Voyager starts late and my DVR clips the shows. I guess I'll have to depend on DVDs.

OK... I had to rant and rave about that some where since its happening right now.
 
If Voyager were a person then said person would be vindictive, nasty and irrational with stupidly held beliefs.

Ent would be its dumber cousin, a moronic bumbling bufoon well meaning but prone to the most terrible gaffs you could imagine.

TOS, TNG and DS9 are cool people though.
 
If Voyager were a person then said person would be vindictive, nasty and irrational with stupidly held beliefs.

Ent would be its dumber cousin, a moronic bumbling bufoon well meaning but prone to the most terrible gaffs you could imagine.

TOS, TNG and DS9 are cool people though.

However those that slam or bash other peoples favorite shows are not.

Brit
 
Why does everyone here hate voyager so much? This is my favourite of the treks, and mainy because i grew up with it, not tng or tos like most here, i think people here dont like it is because they are so used to strict rules and regulations of TOS and TNG, they cant handle a bit of emotion?

I love voyager because its not all rules and regulations, the crew become more of a family because they are put through extreme situations. and i think that is one of the reasons i like it so much.

But you like what you want, i dont mind, but whats with all of the "we hate voyager" threads??
 
Since you grew up with it you will hardly be objective (but then who is...)
To me it was my first Star Trek show (it's first 3 seasons at least...) so it also has a special place in my mind. However I can see its flaws.

I certanly don't hate the show, it produced some brilliant episodes but..it could have been so much more! And it produced some downright horrible episodes too..

Can't say I agree with the lack of emotion in TOS and TNG (TNG perhaps a little..but TOS? The friendship between the big 3 was quite powerfull...)
And in fact Voyager still had too much regulations and rules...
 
What does bother me about Captain Janeway is how willingly she goes along with her future self at first. 'Temporal Prime Directive' assumed she wasn't bonkers in the future, blah blah blah. Okay. But then she finds out that her plan is to get the crew home early, that it's not some special 'save the future universe' mission, and then somehow Admiral Kathy convinces her to go along with it? 'Have our cake and eat it too?'

Hell no. That's completely inconsistent.

This is the woman who blew up the crew's only way home to uphold the Prime Directive for a two races she had never before encountered and never would have again had they gone home, yet she's okay with altering countless billions of lives in countless unforeseen ways, specifically those closest to her?

Ridiculous. She wouldn't do that, at least the Janeway depicted for the vast majority of the series, wouldn't. She has her ups and downs, but she's generally consistent in her Starfleet non-interference principles except for a few choice situations that I won't go into.

This is an excellent example of Janeway's inconsistency. Another glaring example is Tuvix--her treatment of the "transporter mistake" as an anomalous creature rather than a sentient being. Was she caught in the suppression of uncontrollable anger? Didn't really feel it.

And yes, that whole thing during "Year of Hell" about bailing out in lifepods... STUPID. It's a death sentence. You can't land on a planet with those things! What was that all supposed to prove? To exemplify that the "captain goes down with the ship" mentality was in Janeway? We already knew how devoted she was. These writers were SO SCREWED UP and for the producers not to get these mistakes ironed out is criminal to the integrity of Star Trek.

This is the kind of stuff that makes it very difficult for me to appreciate the series as a whole. I like specific episodes a lot. There are some great gems inside the Voyager series. But the violations of established character traits, of the Star Trek time line, and of Star Trek principles disturbed me greatly. In any sci-fi series, there must always be a reasonable level of plausibility... otherwise, you can't hone a solid fan base.

The writers took liberties to create 'interesting' perspectives of character personalities at the expense of 'plausible behavior' and actions. I detest that. TOS and TNG had some of it... TOS was Star Trek in its infancy, so it can be excused for inconsistencies--heck, it was building 'the universe' to begin with. Roddenberry didn't know where it was really going to go. TNG made some mistakes for the sake of ratings and formula, but nothing too far out of left field. DS9 was about on the same level. But Voyager went spinning out of control... They played it like TNG when it should never have been. This is a vessel cut off from the Federation and no chance to 'fully renew' the ship and crew at the start of a new episode (unless we get a voiceover update of how many months passed after Voyager stopped on a planet to effect repairs, trade for whatever resources, etc--you can't just assume things).

Anyway... if there's one thing I'm thankful for, it's the EMH character. Picardo was superbly entertaining. His character contributed so much to Voyager... I'd venture to say even more so than Seven.
 
I think you'll find that even most of Voyager's biggest fans will admit there were some problems with the show. You hear the phrase "missed opportunities" thrown around a lot and I tend to agree with that. I feel that the show probably had the weakest cast of all of the TNG era series. Of course TNG and DS9 had such stellar casts that really isn't an insult.

Like Gary7 says though, there were a lot of great individual episodes through the Voyager run. Despite the flaws Voyager has something always brings me back to it. There is a lot more good than bad in Voyager. I can't find anything to like about a show like Enterprise, but I think people who dismiss Voyager as a whole and don't give it a chance are missing out on a lot of great stuff.
 
However those that slam or bash other peoples favorite shows are not.
They are if they wear leather jackets and sunglasses and smoke cigarettes while they bash it.

No it simply emphasizes just how uncool they really are. The bottom line is Voyager pleased a lot of people and you are discounting them, it's ok for you to have a favorite but it's not ok for someone else to have one that is not on your approved list.

That is not cool and joking about it isn't either.

Brit
 
I think you'll find that even most of Voyager's biggest fans will admit there were some problems with the show. You hear the phrase "missed opportunities" thrown around a lot and I tend to agree with that. I feel that the show probably had the weakest cast of all of the TNG era series. Of course TNG and DS9 had such stellar casts that really isn't an insult.

Like Gary7 says though, there were a lot of great individual episodes through the Voyager run. Despite the flaws Voyager has something always brings me back to it. There is a lot more good than bad in Voyager. I can't find anything to like about a show like Enterprise, but I think people who dismiss Voyager as a whole and don't give it a chance are missing out on a lot of great stuff.

Good post, I tend to agree. I was never quite 'captured' by Enterprise as I was with Voyager, even though one might argue that the 'average' quality of the two shows was comparable. I'd argue that ENT was the bigger missed opportunity, and therefore, the bigger letdown. VGR was distinctly hit or miss for me, as most episodes tended to be either really good or good or bad or really bad, with few 'meh' episodes. ENT was to me mostly 'meh' and boring.
 
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