FTFY.
Voyager ending
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FTFY.
The time cops would presumably have always been from the future where Voyager got home early. They only show up in "Relativity," because someone from their time went back to Voyager's time "for revenge."
Sorry, you misunderstand. I meant that I don't like animated series. I wasn't even referring to an existing series. I meant that if they had left VOY in the Delta Quadrant, then a sequel to VOY would only have appealed to me with flesh and blood actors and not in the form of animation.
I don't like the idea that these shows are continued in animated form. But I can perfectly imagine that some are better than shows with flesh and blood characters. I just don't watch them because I don't like them. Under no circumstances was I referring to an existing show. All the more so because I've never seen an animated Star Trek show and I don't intend to (at least not for the foreseeable future).
My father is the same way. Absolutely refuses to watch anything animated. The medium does lend itself well to sci-fi as the constraints are lifted on exotic looking aliens and ships. Basically, can have aliens other than ones that look like humans with bumpy foreheads and noses. 
I respect the choice but there sure are some great animated series with fantastic stories you're missing out on.
I respect the choice but there sure are some great animated series with fantastic stories you're missing out on.
I don't like animation myself, but I have to admit there is some pretty good (animated) stuff out there.
Ah, ok. Fair enough.
Speaking only on the subject of Star Trek, I do not care for LDS (although I watch it), but I thought Prodigy was great. As a show meant for young children, I think it failed (because the time-travel plot was far too convoluted for a young kid to really grasp IMHO), but as a show for adults and a follow-up to VOY, I think it did a far better job than an actual live-action show would have done.
I like the finale, it did what it needed to do: end the show. I don't agree with many fans who think we needed to see the crew reunited with their families. I'm like, we didn't really see their families before they left, so why do we need to end with that?
I'd make three changes: #1 Give Chakotay more to do.
#2 Someone phone Neelix and tell him what's going down.
#3 End the finale with Voyager landing on Earth, the bridge crew climbing down a landing leg. Janeway kneels, grabs a handful of soil, stands, looks at her crew, and proclaims, "We're home," as she throws casts the dirt into the air. Fade to black, roll theme song.
May I ask what your aversion is to animated shows? Regarding Prodigy, I wouldn't call it a sequel to Voyager per say. It's more a spin-off with sequel vibes. If you're a fan of Voyager, I recommend making an exception for Prodigy, the animation is very well done, and I absolutely love all of the characters.
Finally made it to the end of Voyager. Having seen most of Voyager when it first aired, I did a rewatch recently and the second half of season 6 and all of season 7 was “new” to me (I knew what was coming but I had not seen the episodes previously). I did a mini marathon to sprint to the end watching the last 4 episodes (End Game being viewed all as one episode) one after the other. I posted on the “What are you watching” board already but will reiterate a few things here (without wanting to violate the cross posting prime directive):
Natural Law was a good episode as it finally showed more of Seven’s ability to learn to understand and empathize with those who were unfamiliar to her. A great start to what will become Fenris Ranger Seven. Homestead was a nice send off for Neelix (though we do get to see him one more time in End Game).
As for End Game I think I liked it more than I thought I would. There definitely are a lot of weird things in this last episode (uh, C/7?). But, it had what I had come to love very much in Voyager and like Prodigy it had two Janeways. You cannot have enough Janeway as far as I’m concerned. And she looked good with silver hair. I love that Janeway did what she always did - what she needed to do for others and their lives (temporal prime directive be damned). I’ve mindfully suspended over thinking any of it to enjoy what was done and why.
I do feel the ending was strangely anti-climactic. It’s almost as if the episode was played in reverse. In fact, it would have been much more exciting if they had started the episode with the ending from when Voyager got into the conduit and blew them up and then came out of it with Janeway saying “we’re home” and then flashed back to how it happened.
But, I’ll take it for what it is - all about how Janeway when under pressure without hesitating was so very good at being the Captain and making command decisions. Then later, many times she would question the results of those decisions. And this time she realized she could change a decision that she feels took too much away from others. Yeah, I’m OK with that. I love how Janeway loves.
Natural Law was a good episode as it finally showed more of Seven’s ability to learn to understand and empathize with those who were unfamiliar to her. A great start to what will become Fenris Ranger Seven. Homestead was a nice send off for Neelix (though we do get to see him one more time in End Game).
As for End Game I think I liked it more than I thought I would. There definitely are a lot of weird things in this last episode (uh, C/7?). But, it had what I had come to love very much in Voyager and like Prodigy it had two Janeways. You cannot have enough Janeway as far as I’m concerned. And she looked good with silver hair. I love that Janeway did what she always did - what she needed to do for others and their lives (temporal prime directive be damned). I’ve mindfully suspended over thinking any of it to enjoy what was done and why.
I do feel the ending was strangely anti-climactic. It’s almost as if the episode was played in reverse. In fact, it would have been much more exciting if they had started the episode with the ending from when Voyager got into the conduit and blew them up and then came out of it with Janeway saying “we’re home” and then flashed back to how it happened.
But, I’ll take it for what it is - all about how Janeway when under pressure without hesitating was so very good at being the Captain and making command decisions. Then later, many times she would question the results of those decisions. And this time she realized she could change a decision that she feels took too much away from others. Yeah, I’m OK with that. I love how Janeway loves.
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I feel that they are a step back after live-action shows. A bit like knowing someone (someone that you like) in real life for a long time and after that just looking at the person in photos ...
Btw, I do watch some animations since if one has nieces, it's inevitable. I must have seen FROZEN one million times ...
As for PRODIGY, I might give it a chance one day. Not likely but let's not shut down on anything. Thing is the very fact that Voyager came home killed it for me so I don't know how much I would enjoy anything that does not take place with VOY's original premise. After all, the appeal of that show to me has always been that a ship was lost somewhere in deep space and that they would try to get home fighting hard for it. But ENDGAME killed that premise for me and the relaunch books spat on everything that was VOY ... so I sincerely doubt that any sequel or quasi-sequel or spinoff or whatever else would be interesting enough for me.
But thx for the recommendation. For the time being I'm happy with my 39th rewatch of Voyager. Actually, it's the 38th only since I think the first time is just called "watch" and "rewatch" commences with the second time
. It's PERSISTENCE OF VISION today - a fascinating episode with cucumber sandwiches .
This actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not suggesting you watch a lot of animation, just give Prodigy a go. It's on Netflix and opens with a 2-part premiere, give that a go, and if not sold, you can say you gave it a shot.I feel that they are a step back after live-action shows. A bit like knowing someone (someone that you like) in real life for a long time and after that just looking at the person in photos ...
I am so sorry.Btw, I do watch some animations since if one has nieces, it's inevitable. I must have seen FROZEN one million times ...
The 1st season is very much a Voyager spin-off, but the 2nd season is so tied in, it felt like Voyager S8 at times. 
Janeway, Chakotay, and the Doctor are all involved. The Protostar is basically a testbed ship based on all of the tech. brought back from the DQ. We see a Starfleet Dauntless based on the fake one from "Hope and Fear." We also get to see the Voyager-A. The bridge wasn't as cool as it could have been, but overall, I loved the Voy-A. We get to see the Borg, the Kazon, and... I can't remember if other Voyager-aliens pop up, but I know at least those two do.
Janeway, Chakotay, and the Doctor are all involved. The Protostar is basically a testbed ship based on all of the tech. brought back from the DQ. We see a Starfleet Dauntless based on the fake one from "Hope and Fear." We also get to see the Voyager-A. The bridge wasn't as cool as it could have been, but overall, I loved the Voy-A. We get to see the Borg, the Kazon, and... I can't remember if other Voyager-aliens pop up, but I know at least those two do.Admiral Jellico is back in S2 from that one TNG 2-parter. Wesley Crusher is part of S2, and his mom even has a cameo. The rarely seen Ferengi Marauder also pops up in an episode. I love this design and feel like it should have pooped up at least once on DS9.
Right now, I'm watching the back-half of TNG for the first time since I was a kid. When I get to S6, diving into DS9, and when I get to DS9 S3, diving into Voyager. Seen all of DS9 and Voyager, but it'll be fun to watch these 3 as if it were the 90's.But thx for the recommendation. For the time being I'm happy with my 39th rewatch of Voyager. Actually, it's the 38th only since I think the first time is just called "watch" and "rewatch" commences with the second time
If Netflix doesn't renew, the S2 finale works as a series finale.
I doubt they will renew it. Unfortunately. I'm happy they gave PRO a home for the last season but Netflix has a bad track record of cancelling shows without giving them proper conclusions. At least PRO has a decent ending if it's not picked up.
Why do you think Netflix won't renew it? My theory: Netflix picked up what, from their POV, is essentially a finished series. I think they just wanted to stream it, not produce it.
More than that, it's one of best animated shows I've watched.
Indeed. They had no or very little production cost. P+ used the series as a tax write off is my understanding. The series production shop is closed and staff have moved on to other projects by now. Basically Netflix would have to start from scratch and it's unlikely PRO drove that much subscriber interest their way. At least not enough to justify further investment.Why do you think Netflix won't renew it? My theory: Netflix picked up what, from their POV, is essentially a finished series. I think they just wanted to stream it, not produce it.
