I don't remember much, almost anything about the final episode but if memory serves Janeway came back in time to change history.
Come on.... no. That's not cool. At all.
Come on.... no. That's not cool. At all.
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The 'animation nonsense' of which you speak was better than the show it was a sequel to. Certainly in the treatment of Chakotay, who was reduced to nothing more than a cardboard one-dimensional character in VOY's later seasons.
What part of @AntonyF 's post did you not understand?
The thread asked us what we thought of the Voyager finale, sweetie. Keep up.
I hereby sentence you to be pecked to death by ducks.
They might as well have been. Those clean shaven, short haired human dudes, those women with their hair up, all of them perfect Starfleet recruiting poster specials... Borg level conformity.Our Heroes were on a Borg cube?
PRO is what you get when you put the great Kate Mulgrew in a show with competent showrunners.
Just compare Janeway (didn't change much from S1 to S7) to Sisko (transformed on multiple levels). Or Nog (delinquent to cadet to combat survivor to veteran) to Harry (green ensign to... green ensign).
Be nice Antony...
If I was to guess it was the hoping Janeway dies comment that was the most incredulous part for Dee. But I get what you're angling at. A noble sacrifice of the Captain to save the ship in the finale, and not the alt version we got, could have been poignant and completely in character for Janeway.
There's the problem. Having to guess. I guessed they didn't understand what my comment related to, so I clarified for them. You're making an entirely different guess.
But that's due to a failure of the poster. How about elucidating thoughts rather than grunting? Grunting is not nice when people answer the question and share their views.
Our Heroes were on a Borg cube?
This is a complaint?
For "UNIMATRIX ZERO", I certainly call it a complaint.
Or more precisely, Janeway's plan to get assimilated on purpose to get into the central part of that tactical cube.
The reason I call this a complaint? This plan effectively turned assimilation, which was always seen as an extremely horrifying, invasive, traumatic experience, into just another day at the office. In one move, this made the trauma and pain that Seven and Picard went through seem meaningless. (And every other former Borg, for that matter.) And doing this against a TACTICAL cube... this was truly the final nail in the coffin for defanging the Borg completely. You cannot take the Borg seriously as a threat after this.
Or more precisely, Janeway's plan to get assimilated on purpose to get into the central part of that tactical cube.
The reason I call this a complaint? This plan effectively turned assimilation, which was always seen as an extremely horrifying, invasive, traumatic experience, into just another day at the office. In one move, this made the trauma and pain that Seven and Picard went through seem meaningless. (And every other former Borg, for that matter.) And doing this against a TACTICAL cube... this was truly the final nail in the coffin for defanging the Borg completely. You cannot take the Borg seriously as a threat after this.
Actually she was involved in a Ferengi heist, got caught, and about to spend the rest of her life in jail for crimes against the Federation. It was really "polite" almost Canadian, how no one mentioned her legal troubles at the anniversary party.
^It also kind of bugged me that Tuvok was the one who ended up being compromised. You'd think he'd have more mental discipline than the others...though I guess it is hinted at if not explicitly stated (I don't recall which) in the series that he actually has a brain abnormality that makes him more susceptible to telepathic disorders...but in that case, why was he even included in this?
Er, what? Those were two conflicting news reports, one not having to do with the other. It was bad writing, that’s for sure, but it’s certainly not meant to imply that Janeway had anything to do with whatever they were going to talk about with that Ferengi.
The easiest plot in my opinion owuld be:
A multi-episode story arc that has the crew of the Voyager do some sneaky espionage look into the Borg's trans-warp corridors as a way to get to Earth. During that they find out that the Borg are planning an all-out assault on the Alpha Quadrant with their entire fleet, and naturally they must find a way to stop that.
Janeway forges an alliance with several of the species fighting the Borg, including a journey into liquid space to gain the trust and help of uh... Species.NumberNubmerSomethingOrOther, you know the Liquid Space fellows.
Using their pooled strength and energy this rag-tag fleet helmed by the Voyager assaults the Borg Unicomplex and it comes to a last confrontation with the Borg and the Borg Queen, during which the Doctor sacrifices himself during some calamity to save Seven, who in turn is the one who deals the death blow not just the Borg Queen, but the whole Collective (using some computer virus or something) As the Borg Collective explodes around them, and their Delta Quadrant allies celebrate, Voyager uses the transwarp tunnels to travel to the ALpha Quadrant...and they reach Earth.
A multi-episode story arc that has the crew of the Voyager do some sneaky espionage look into the Borg's trans-warp corridors as a way to get to Earth. During that they find out that the Borg are planning an all-out assault on the Alpha Quadrant with their entire fleet, and naturally they must find a way to stop that.
Janeway forges an alliance with several of the species fighting the Borg, including a journey into liquid space to gain the trust and help of uh... Species.NumberNubmerSomethingOrOther, you know the Liquid Space fellows.
Using their pooled strength and energy this rag-tag fleet helmed by the Voyager assaults the Borg Unicomplex and it comes to a last confrontation with the Borg and the Borg Queen, during which the Doctor sacrifices himself during some calamity to save Seven, who in turn is the one who deals the death blow not just the Borg Queen, but the whole Collective (using some computer virus or something) As the Borg Collective explodes around them, and their Delta Quadrant allies celebrate, Voyager uses the transwarp tunnels to travel to the ALpha Quadrant...and they reach Earth.
Chekov's gun.
Except in that situation, if Janeway was involved with a Ferengi, it would have been revealed by the end of the episode. It wasn’t.
She escaped the not so long arm of the law, by destroying the universe.
No one was there in that reality to force the Admiral to confess, and by the end, she was dead anyway, because every Janeway is a sociopath who cannot recall all the crimes she has committed and gotten away with.
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Sigh! It never ends, does it? This attempt to portray Janeway in the worst light possible, in compare to her male counterparts. It just never ends.
Sigh! It never ends, does it? This attempt to portray Janeway in the worst light possible, in compare to her male counterparts. It just never ends.
Chakotay is a plank of wood.
Tom is a manchild.
Harry is a winy baby.
Neelix is a creepy Pedo.
The Doctor is a pretentious bore.
Icheb is a Soyboy.
Tuvok is... Actually, he's a class act all day long.
Stop looking for problems that don't exist.
In Counterpoint Janeway said that she can do any thing she wants, and then get found innocent at trial from men who are her father's best friends, so she is untouchable.
It's who she is.
So, exactly what I posted.
You said that if the wild asserertion I was ridiculously postulating, was actually a thing that happened, and not a fever dream from my crack addled deflated rat brain, then Admiral Janeway's involvement with Ferengi Corruption would have to have been confirmed at the end of the play, or it never happened.
Meanwhile I resigned that nobody needed to belabour the point, by shining a flashlight on the obvious.
