Perhaps you'd need an explanation as to why the defiant is suddenly showing up there. It also wouldn't be the first time Voyager had a wormhole going unstable on them just moments before they'd enter it.
Voyager Deep Space Nine Crossover
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A take they could have very well done without stepping on each show’s shoes...
The Voyager shows up exiting the wormhole very battered and followed by dominion ships, with the help of DS9’s crew they manage to fend those off but the reactor is critical. They still manage to beam the survivors to the station, but the ship explodes.
Janeway explains how the ship had been captured by the Dominion, which is possibly using a second wormhole to invade the Delta quadrant.
The Voyager crew gets the hero’s welcome and quickly occupies high profile positions within the federation...Except it’s not the Voyager crew at all, it’s founders trying to infiltrate Starfleet!
The Voyager shows up exiting the wormhole very battered and followed by dominion ships, with the help of DS9’s crew they manage to fend those off but the reactor is critical. They still manage to beam the survivors to the station, but the ship explodes.
Janeway explains how the ship had been captured by the Dominion, which is possibly using a second wormhole to invade the Delta quadrant.
The Voyager crew gets the hero’s welcome and quickly occupies high profile positions within the federation...Except it’s not the Voyager crew at all, it’s founders trying to infiltrate Starfleet!
That what makes it interesting. I don't know how old Vic's program is but he seemed sure of himself, and doesn't have much of passion for living outside his world. The EMH's experiences with living beings were different, and his desires were a reflection of being around them... in a real world setting. A meeting of the minds and sharing their programs would only make them more fruitful characters and their directions in their existence would only give them the goal to share more of their experiences to other holograms.
Voyager should be about the journeys learned as they traveled including meeting another Starfleet crew, and not about the end goal about going home. Home is a given and wasting time on some lame Gilligan's Island scenario with the DS9 crew is a waste of both of these unique characters. We already know how Voyager returned home so the conclusion would be anti-climactic.
To date, I still find it absolutely amusing that in all of Voyager's communications with the Alpha quadrant, that not once was the war with the Dominion mentioned. Not once.
Not a, "oh hey, Kathy - good to hear from you. It's hell over here right now with this war going on"
Or "Hey, Tom, did you hear - the federation is at war!", "what are you talking about Harry?", "they're talking about it now - the Dominion or something."
Nah...don't tell Voyager about it.
Not a, "oh hey, Kathy - good to hear from you. It's hell over here right now with this war going on"
Or "Hey, Tom, did you hear - the federation is at war!", "what are you talking about Harry?", "they're talking about it now - the Dominion or something."
Nah...don't tell Voyager about it.
I seem to remember it was mentioned once, actually, possibly after the doctor ended up on the Prometheus.
It is.
As for why Starfleet rarely seems to mention it to Janeway, perhaps they know the woman that says stuff like "I don't care if history itself comes unraveled, I want to know why you're on my ship!" well enough to not bother her with such minutiae
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And there it is.
It essentially boils down to this:
Friend who has been living in a cave for 5 years: hey, how have you been?! What have I missed
Me: well, I graduated, got a job and have been busier than ever. Though things are difficult with the pandemic at the moment.
Friend: wait..what? Pandemic?
Me: yeah, i'm too busy. Just read it on Wikipedia.
It essentially boils down to this:
Friend who has been living in a cave for 5 years: hey, how have you been?! What have I missed
Me: well, I graduated, got a job and have been busier than ever. Though things are difficult with the pandemic at the moment.
Friend: wait..what? Pandemic?
Me: yeah, i'm too busy. Just read it on Wikipedia.
The episode where Torres has a crisis of faith upon learning that all of their Maquis friends have been killed and the rebellion is ended would seem to imply that they heard quite a bit about the Dominion war.
They heard too much as I see it.
The premise of the show was killed when they got in touch with Earth already in season 4.
The series was supposed to be about a ship lost in the Delta Quadrant 70 000 light years from home and the half-wit writers ruined that.
They shouldn't have got in touch withy earth until the end of season 7.
While that was the premise, I don't think it was a bad development in itself. One time exceptional contact was made halfway during the series, and regular, if still low-frequency contact (a few minutes each month) was made only halfway during S6. To me, it made the feeling of progress, of getting gradually closer to home more tangible. I would have liked it though, had it more been treated as a very precious resource (which at first it was), rather than wasting it on silly hearings about the EMH's rights as an author (even though I liked that episode in itself a great deal). Also, I didn't like it when they abused it to smuggle AQ plots into Voyager (such as the Ferengi trying to 'scavenge' Voyager in Inside Man)
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Seeing as how Torres despised everything Klingon I don't see her and Worf getting on all that well.
True but they might still relate to each other since they both faced ostracization for being Kilngon(or half kilngon in B'elanna's case)
I think it depends a bit on when in the series this crossover would take place. I'd say that later on (especially after Barge of the Dead) she accepted it more than early in the series even if she sometimes still had problems with it.
I'd say she accepted who she was (instead of who she thought others wanted her to be) rather than the Klingon stuff--at least, that's how I've always interpreted the episode.
Good point. Of course, as always, it depends on 'how it would have been made', but I think, when the crossover should have been such a huge thing, it also should have been something, that bring both series and its storylines a big step forward. A random meeting of this two crews without any effect would have been to simple, but its sellablity would have profit, when this meeting was connected to the ongoing storylines in the series - e. g. when the Defiance's way out of the Dominion territory would have led them into the Delta Quadrant.
I wondered recently about an idea where in the 90s Star Trek had done Arrowverse style crossovers of all their shows. I would have had the 1993 crossover be about The Maquis, starring the TNG and DS9 casts and guest starring a couple of future Voyager cast members; 1994 would be Generations, where TOS cast members crossed over with the 24th Century shows; 1995 would be the Mirror Universe, where there could be normal or Mirror versions of the TNG, DS9 and Voyager crews; and 1996 would be Borg, where the TNG and DS9 crew were present at the Borg attack on Earth whilst Voyager dealt with the either the events leading up to the Borg launching the attack or the aftermath where the Borg are messed up because they lose their Queen.
A Stargate-style communications stones storyline might've been the best way to have a crossover. Whilst on patrol in the GQ, the Defiant discovers an ancient device that doesn't match with Dominion technology (this would only be a passing element in the action plot of the week, but one that lays the groundwork). A few weeks later the crew of Voyager come across ancient ruins on a planet and find a similar device (both are from a long-extinct species that once had an empire that spanned the Gamma and Delta Quadrants).
Depending on the season Torres and Kim (or Janeway and Seven if S4 onwards) are studying it and activate it, as the same time back on DS9 Dax and O'Brien are running more diagnostics (they activated it previously) and as a result their consciousnesses are swapped with the actors appears on the other shows sets.
Drama/hilarity ensues.
Depending on the season Torres and Kim (or Janeway and Seven if S4 onwards) are studying it and activate it, as the same time back on DS9 Dax and O'Brien are running more diagnostics (they activated it previously) and as a result their consciousnesses are swapped with the actors appears on the other shows sets.
Drama/hilarity ensues.
Even so, the way the scene plays it doesn't seem they get a lot of information:
No mention of their name or the nature of that 'gamma quadrant species', not even a mention that by that time the entire Federation was at war (though the EMH hears in Message in a bottle about "our fight with the Dominion" but gets no explaination about just who the Dominion are). Of course that could still have been mentioned off screen but that's extrapolating.
I thought it was a decent way to express the DS9 producers went too far in making their epic war tale as equivalent to the Borg Invasion which spawned the legendary Wolf 359 on TNG. Voyager treated the DS9 dilemma, with the Dominion, how it should have been which was "A Bottled Conflict" within the realm of its own series. Still today I feel the Dominion stories were overrated and the conclusions for each arch were unsatisfying in particular "Sacrifice of Angels" where Sisko throws the get of jail free card and wish the Dominion away, and "What you leave Behind" where Odo simply mind robs Head Dominion Lady to stop hating solids and ending the war. Keeping this war crap for a season or two would avoid too much bleeding through plots into a movie from TNG or the sister series like Voyager.
TNG is the grand daddy of that world of Star Trek and his spinoff series should follow suit, trickling down whatever remnants remain. DS9 never had such a following where a prolong war drama would or could influence the rest. The other productions just didn't care about what DS9 was doing and would not give it weight - the Dominion - which never deserved such grandeur.
TNG is the grand daddy of that world of Star Trek and his spinoff series should follow suit, trickling down whatever remnants remain. DS9 never had such a following where a prolong war drama would or could influence the rest. The other productions just didn't care about what DS9 was doing and would not give it weight - the Dominion - which never deserved such grandeur.
