Voyager Deep Space Nine Crossover

[jackoverfull]

Never seen as much of a mystery, only a lot of wasted opportunities.

Keep in mind that in the Star Trek universe humans already live very shortly: Vulcans and Klingons have been shown to easily live centuries.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Never seen as much of a mystery, only a lot of wasted opportunities.

Keep in mind that in the Star Trek universe humans already live very shortly: Vulcans and Klingons have been shown to easily live centuries.

Besides an insect and maybe a Great Dane, there's nothing as short in lifespan than the Ocampa. I would think for the Ocampa, if they explored their world and see something more than what they were, they would want to live longer. I don't doubt the Ocampa were Star Trek's equivalent of a caterpillar; which there's a next phase to that life form but as you mentioned VOY had wasted opportunities and for me it was Kes and the Ocampa.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

The Ocampa could've had a far more complex life cycle than we were led to believe, maybe before the Caretaker intervened then they lived 9 years as a physical form and then upon the "death" of the body they became a psionic/energy-based being--so a sort of caterpillar/butterfly form of existence. Maybe they lost the second, longer stage of their lives when their mental abilities atrophied and what we see happened to Kes was what they were meant to go through.

Just a random thought that occurred to me right now.

 

[jackoverfull]

Not to mention how bad the end of Fury was. They put the old lady on a shuttle and leave...seriously?!

 

[Colbtron]

You probably already know this, but the first episode of Voyager started on DS9.

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[STEPhon IT]

What Paris somehow constructed on VOY was phenomenal, the Delta Flyer was state of the art like the Defiant. I'm sure if he had the opportunity to see the helm control of the Defiant, he may have had some fresh ideas to update the ship. The controls on the Delta Flyer was pretty inventive and on the other side Sisko would be pleased.

 

[Lynx]

Not to mention how bad the end of Fury was. They put the old lady on a shuttle and leave...seriously?!

That episode was the worst episode ever made in a TV series.

No logical thought or attempt to come up with anything realistic, the only purpose was character destruction.

As for the Ocampa lifespan, it was also a matter of stupid writing, sort of "oh, we've never tried this besfore" and when it didn't work it was just the usual "ah, never mind, the viewers won't notice".
In fact, a species with such short lifespan could never develope into more than primates.
But maybe the planet have a slow rotation around the sun so one Ocampa year is nine Earth years?

 

[Lynx]

Kes was astonished by The Doctor, and the drips of development he had during her run on VOY. If Kes ever met Vic it would've blew her mind on how advanced a program he was.

A meeting between Vic and Kes would have been great!

It would also have been a great opportunity to see my three all-time Star Trek favorites together in some episodes!

 

[garakvsneelix]

As a child, I always waited for an episode, where the Voyager meets the Dominion fleet that used to pass through the wormhole in 'Sacrifice of Angels' - maybe I was to naive to understand, that the prophets didn't just remove the ships...

 

[at Quark's]

As a child, I always waited for an episode, where the Voyager meets the Dominion fleet that used to pass through the wormhole in 'Sacrifice of Angels' - maybe I was to naive to understand, that the prophets didn't just remove the ships...

Given the Prophets' proclivity for non-linear time manipulation, and their influence usually being strongly localized in the Wormhole or in its direct environment (Bajor), I'd rather believe they moved that fleet through time than through space. If, indeed, they didn't outright annihilate them.

 

[jackoverfull]

So they might show up and wreck havoc in the future…Say before Discovery Season 3?

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

It's a sorry state of the world when you start typing a response then stop yourself and delete it all because the last thing you need is vitriol directed towards you for having an opinion, oh well at least it saves what tattered remains of my mental well-being are left

 

[STEPhon IT]

It's a sorry state of the world when you start typing a response then stop yourself and delete it all because the last thing you need is vitriol directed towards you for having an opinion, oh well at least it saves what tattered remains of my mental well-being are left

I understand that fully, but you're always welcome to add your opinions on my thread, Bry_Sinclair, I don't mind taking a bullet for you. You're one of the open minded members here and I love your contributions on this forum.

A meeting between Vic and Kes would have been great!

It would also have been a great opportunity to see my three all-time Star Trek favorites together in some episodes!

This was why I started this thread because there's so much potential to these spin-off series and could've pushed the boundaries of both the Delta and Gamma Quadrant, but I felt the producers for both series squandered it. There was too much emphasis on the BIG THREAT IMO and should've explored the concepts of life, community, exploration and more. The series were just interested in the common denominator, have ships explode all around them because they're way too bored of the Star Trek concept.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Thank you @STEPhon IT

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Why would short lifespan prevent development? That logic assumes that their brains mature at the same speed humans do and no faster.

What would prevent it is the stupid “One baby in your life” thing.

In Cold Fire it was implied Ocampa can live longer, one of them was 14 and didn’t seem old. We can guess that the Ocampa in their home world had some kind of bottleneck effect or other environmental reason their life span was shorter.

There’s certainly lots you could to post-series that brings the crews together. Like have a third Caretaker start bothering Bajor.

If Doc met Vic I think he may question why Vic never questioned his role and was so content living in a fantasy created for organics entertainment.

 

[at Quark's]

A meeting between Vic and Kes would have been great!

It would also have been a great opportunity to see my three all-time Star Trek favorites together in some episodes!

Seeing that picture, I have a feeling Kes could have gotten along with Quark, since Quark also has a genuinely kind side to him. Kes &Garak, I'm less certain about, Garak may just be too guarded for Kes. Then again, he also formed a kind of bond with Ziyal...

 

[Lynx]

Seeing that picture, I have a feeling Kes could have gotten along with Quark, since Quark also has a genuinely kind side to him. Kes &Garak, I'm less certain about, Garak may just be too guarded for Kes. Then again, he also formed a kind of bond with Ziyal...

Which is exactly why I think Kes and Garak would have gotten along too.
kes is the kind of person who has an ability to creep under the personal shields some people build around themselves. She would, as you already have pointed out, have seen Quark's kind side and used it to persuade him to do good things and the same with her interactions with Garak.

This was why I started this thread because there's so much potential to these spin-off series and could've pushed the boundaries of both the Delta and Gamma Quadrant, but I felt the producers for both series squandered it. There was too much emphasis on the BIG THREAT IMO and should've explored the concepts of life, community, exploration and more. The series were just interested in the common denominator, have ships explode all around them because they're way too bored of the Star Trek concept.

To be honest, I guess that the writers and producers of DS9 could and would have given this a try. But i'm not so sure of the Voyager writers and producers. They were simply to narrow-minded for that. They couldn't even come up with a good end episode.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Two-part episode on Voyager. Wormhole opens, the Defiant emerges full of DS9 characters, wormhole closes. The two ships work together to get both ships back to Deep Space Nine. Everything is going well, and the smaller Defiant goes first. The wormhole or whatever collapses as Voyager attempts to follow through. They're closer to home, but still in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[at Quark's]

Two-part episode on Voyager. Wormhole opens, the Defiant emerges full of DS9 characters, wormhole closes. The two ships work together to get both ships back to Deep Space Nine. Everything is going well, and the smaller Defiant goes first. The wormhole or whatever collapses as Voyager attempts to follow through. They're closer to home, but still in the Delta Quadrant.

Janeway to Sisko: How nice of you to bring your crew. According to my intelligence, you have a Klingon Strategic Operations officer. Our chief engineer will be pleased to finally have another Klingon to talk to.
Sisko: Commander Worf isn't with me, he had one of those weird stints on the Enterprise E under captain Picard. For some unexplained reason, he keeps going back for a fortnight every two years or so.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

What do you think, would this simple crossover have been simple and sellable?