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VOY: Unworthy by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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I think Tom was mature in the book the only one I think that needs to grow up is Harry. I didn't care for his attitude in the book. Then again I am more of Tom fan then a fan of Harry.

I found it funny that he seemed to forgive B'elanna even though it was her plan to begin with and not Tom. (who basically went along with the plan). Somehow I don't think he would be able to talk B'Elanna out of the plan. Yes I did think they over reacted. I don't think it helped the fact that Kathless is the one who put it in her head to begin with.
 
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^I agree. Tom wasn't really being childish or anything, and the growing up needed to be done by Harry. Although I do sympathize with Harry as Tom should have let him in.

As their shared history shows, Tom and B'Elanna can trust Harry and Chakotay as though they were family. Due to the unlikely circumstances of their original mission, I think the senior staff of Voyager (Chakotay, Tom, Harry, B'Elanna, Seven, The Doc) are more of a family than any other crew in all of trek. Tom should have at least told Harry...
 
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Surely that fits in with the series - he was a putz then and he's a putz now - it's perfect characterisation!
 
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Finished the novel yesterday. Overall, I quite liked it. I am very pleased with Beyer's writing style. She seems to have a good grasp on the VOY characters and I thought that the majority of the writing really reflected them well. I also really like the creative direction that the VOY novels have taken. Full Circle and Unworthy have done something that I never thought would happen - they've made me genuinely interested in Voyager, which is something the series or Christie Golden's novels just never did.

Unworthy seemed to perform one major task: it's set the new status quo for the VOY relaunch. The ship is back in the Delta Quadrant, though under different circumstances and better equipped for the journey. Most of the major characters from the series have been reunited (with the exception of Janeway, who's dead; Tuvok, who's on Titan; Neelix, who got a quick appearance but remains with his fellow Talaxians; and Kes, who is God knows where but should get a follow-up). Some new characters have been introduced (such as Eden, Conlon and Cambridge). The series seems to have a new focus and sense of purpose. The pieces have been carefully arranged and now they can really move forward.

My gripes with the book are minor, but still there. I didn't like the Batiste plot. I just didn't buy that a member of Species 8472 would go to earth, infiltrate Starfleet as an Admiral (of all things) and go unnoticed for all this time until he found a way to get home. I don't find it particularly plausible. Was Batiste ever a real person? Was he killed and then impersonated by Species 8472, without no one noticing? I can't recall the book explaining it in much detail. I liked the banter between Batiste and Eden and had hoped for it to continue a bit longer. I kinda felt like this plot point came out of nowhere.

The whole thing with Meegan was... okay. Didn't love it, but I don't hate it, either. The notion of Reg and Zimmerman trying to create the perfect woman for The Doctor is charming and nice. But turning her into this hologram possessed by some alien entity just didn't do anything for me. The book set it up to be a potentially recurring story thread, but I honestly don't care if we ever see her again. I liked Meegan better before this happened to her.

Still, a good read. Great characterization. I'm growing particularly fond of Eden and Conlon. Cambridge is a wonderful character. VOY's future is looking bright, for the first time in....well... a long time.
 
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FYI Conlon actually isn't a new character, she actually used to be the Cheif Engineer of the USS da Vinci in the SCE/CoE books.
 
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FYI Conlon actually isn't a new character, she actually used to be the Cheif Engineer of the USS da Vinci in the SCE/CoE books.

True, but she got more development in Unworthy than she ever got in SCE/CoE.
 
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Was Batiste ever a real person? Was he killed and then impersonated by Species 8472, without no one noticing? I can't recall the book explaining it in much detail. I liked the banter between Batiste and Eden and had hoped for it to continue a bit longer. I kinda felt like this plot point came out of nowhere.

I may be wrong, but I believe it was mentioned in Full Circle that Eden and Batiste divorced due a change in his general personality; at least in Eden's eyes. I don't have a page #, but I vaguely remember Eden saying that he'd changed and so their marriage ended. If he was a real guy who was then replaced by a 8472, the "change of personality" would be explainable. Of course, if anyone remembers better...
 
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"Unworthy" has materialized in my local bookshop, and so I've finally got my hands on it. I'll get to reading it and I'll post my thoughts soon. :) That's pretty much it for now...rather pointless post, I know, but I'm just pleased to have the book at last.
 
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I may be wrong, but I believe it was mentioned in Full Circle that Eden and Batiste divorced due a change in his general personality; at least in Eden's eyes. I don't have a page #, but I vaguely remember Eden saying that he'd changed and so their marriage ended. If he was a real guy who was then replaced by a 8472, the "change of personality" would be explainable. Of course, if anyone remembers better...

IIRC, Batiste married Eden specifically as an attempt to go native and make the most of his exile. So if there was an original, Eden never knew him.
 
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^It would appear that there never was a Batiste, or not one that any living person in Starfleet would remember. I didn't like that plotline much either, but overall the Voyager relaunch has improved in leaps and bounds since the Golden era (how ironic is that comment?) and I look forward to seeing where it goes from here.
 
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^It would appear that there never was a Batiste, or not one that any living person in Starfleet would remember. I didn't like that plotline much either, but overall the Voyager relaunch has improved in leaps and bounds since the Golden era (how ironic is that comment?) and I look forward to seeing where it goes from here.

There probably was a Batiste at some point. The earliest the Species 8472 Batiste could have infiltrated Starfleet was 2374 (as that is the year Scorpion ended). By the time of Unworthy in 2381, he could have been in that role at most 8 years, an awfully short time to start from scratch and become Admiral. And I doubt it would be terribly easy to just appear in Starfleet as a Commander or something without anyone noticing. So he probably did replace a 'real' Batiste who had already moved up the ranks on his own.
 
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It is possible that "Batiste" started as a cadet who was then promoted to Admiral in hardly any time at all. Things like that have been known to happen in the Fleet :devil:...at one time or another..
 
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^ She didn't because her beagle went missing in a strange transporter accident shortly after she watched a Gazelle giving birth.
 
Re: Unworthy - Discuss/Grade Thread <SPOILERS>

I've finished it, and I was impressed. :) As others have noted, the duology of "Full Circle" and "Unworthy" has finally brought the Voyager relaunch to an equal footing with the other great Trek lit series like Titan, DS9 post-finale and Vanguard. While this wasn't quite as gripping as "Full Circle", it was a fine start to the "Back in the Delta Quadrant" mission. I was a little surprised at first to see Chakotay regain command so swiftly, but I soon realized that was because I had been assuming his resignation had been set up as a major arc for the series, when in fact "Full Circle" and "Unworthy" are comparable to the first Titan duology; the character development here helps establish the situation prior to the start of the Big Mission, but it is still a reasonably self-contained story.

Pros:

I'm a reader who prefers discussion, conversation, and worldbuilding to action, so the highlights of this novel for me were a) Seven and Cambridge's discussion of Caeliar perfection, and how Seven relates to it, and b) the Indign culture. I really appreciated the continuation of the themes of stagnation vs progress and perfection vs reproduction, following on from established thematic threads in stories like "Greater Than the Sum" and the "Destiny" trilogy. The idea of progress and self-betterment in fact being held back by the desire to find a "perfection", and what exactly that optimum would entail, was given a fresh spin with the Indign, the subplot with the Groundskeepers (8472s; I like to call them by their "Places of Exile" name :))and of course Seven's attempts to balance her Borg, human and Caeliar impulses.

The Indign were a great addition to the Trek universe, and I was very pleased that the consequences of the Borg's disappearance are being addressed in a manner more complex than "Yay, they're gone!" What does their disappearance mean for those cultures who have lived next door to the Collective for generations? The Borg must be a part of these societies' culture and their worldview in a manner that would be alien to the Federation. I particularly liked how the Starfleet folk struggled with the concept of a culture that apparently wanted to be assimilated. The Indign's reverance for the Borg was also interesting in that the society and interspecies co-operation it encouraged represented a very Federation ideal of community and interdependence, yet one arrived at through emulating a culture who the Federation see as essentially their opposite. I can see why many in the Federation would be wary or unnerved by the Indign. I hope we see more of them.

I'm very much liking the character of Cambridge; while I was one of the few who didn't hate his predecessor (I have a soft spot for the Huanni :lol:), it's obvious this is a far superior character by miles. He seems very human, very complicated and I appreciate the little character traits that make him relatable; particularly his continuing devotion to knowing exactly where the escape pods are as soon as he boards a ship :lol:. As for the possibility of Seven/Cambridge, that would actually be interesting if the authors chose to pursue it. If we are going to give Seven a relationship of this kind, Cambridge is at least interesting enough to warrant the pairing.

I like Captain Eden, though with Batiste gone and her promotion taking her from the centre seat of Voyager, I'm wondering where her character will go from here. Obviously we have her origins to work on, but until that thread is followed up on I wonder what future books will be doing with her. I hope she gets an interesting story arc, as I came to appreciate her quite a bit in this novel.

Cons:

There aren't many of these; the novel overall was very good, so these are only minor quibbles:

As much as I enjoyed seeing "Valerie Archer" again, it did seem possibly too convenient that of all the regions of Fluidic Space Voyager accessed it would be a region where she happened to be within reach. I know it's important to put a relatable "face" on our Groundskeepers, and we're pretty much limited to Valerie or Boothby for that, but it still took a slightly more strained suspension of disbelief than usual. Still, only very minor complaint.

The writing of the first chapter felt a little "clunky", which worried me a bit, but by chapter two the prose was flowing smoothly and never looked back, so there was nothing to worry about :).

Sharak: Mayweather, on "Enterprise"! Zinda, his face black, his eyes red! Temba: Sharak! (Oh, I know we have lots of new characters to introduce without giving any existing ones the short end of the stick, so its entirely excusible, but I'm very fond of Tamarians and I hope he gets more attention in later books. "Darmok" was always my favourite TNG episode, and "Friends With the Sparrows" one of my favourite Trek short stories. A Tamarian who speaks Standard is a wonderful idea for a character. More Sharak!).

Random Observations:

I'm pleased that the Children of the Storm are being followed up on, even if we don't see them.

I wonder what the Gorn would think about holographic Gorn crewmen on Federation vessels? I personally appreciated the effort to keep advances in holographic technology at the forefront of Starfleet's next bunch of innovations, as "Voyager" made a big deal of this theme towards the end of its run.

I'm wondering what the role of "Meegan" and The Eight is going to be. Is there an actual plan for them, or are they simply being set up as antagonists who are "out there" for a future story to build upon when the authors choose? I was perfectly happy with this new threat, but as we don't know what Our Villain intends to do now she's free, and as she evidently has no real agenda at present in regards to the Voyager fleet other than "avoid it", I'm interested as to what her role in the series is going to be. I suppose she is now Starfleet's responsibility, since it's their hardware she's used to escape (and murder a group of Neyser) but there's currently no real desire for a new encounter on her end. So I'm wondering if she and her companions/prisoners/whatever are intended to be major anatognists or simply a useful piece of groundwork that's been put into play ready to be built upon as and when is chosen?
 
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^^

I agree, I like Sherak too...

He seems to be the type of guy that is always in good spirits and has an understanding, laid-back nature about him....(And Neelix didn't do this entirely well)...
 
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