Vote: Worst Voyager character

[Terok Nor]

Another thing, are we to believe Janeway and Tuvok knew all along that Kes would return to Voyager in her old age and seek revenge? When Kes left in The Gift Janeway, Tuvok and Kes all knew she was destined for a life of tragedy and solitude. You'd think they'd have tried to get in contact with her somehow. She dound them easily enough.

 

[at Quark's]

It's been a while since I saw Fury but what was supposed to have happened to Kes since The Gift to make her so bitter and angry? I know she went senile in her old age but did some of her anger stem from her being alone for so many years? She must have had some interaction with other races because she had that ship.

I don't think there's much (on-screen) information about that. The only information I can remember is this quote from the script:

"In three years, I'm going to leave Voyager in search of higher things because you encouraged me to do it. You encouraged me to develop my mental abilities. I wasn't ready for what I found. I couldn't control it. It scared me. I had nowhere to go. I thought of returning home to Ocampa, but I'd changed too much. I knew they'd be frightened of me. I knew they wouldn't accept me, but they'll accept her. "

(the 'her' being the younger Kes she sedated).

 

[Terok Nor]

It's been a while since I saw Fury but what was supposed to have happened to Kes since The Gift to make her so bitter and angry? I know she went senile in her old age but did some of her anger stem from her being alone for so many years? She must have had some interaction with other races because she had that ship.

I don't think there's much (on-screen) information about that. The only information I can remember is this quote from the script:

"In three years, I'm going to leave Voyager in search of higher things because you encouraged me to do it. You encouraged me to develop my mental abilities. I wasn't ready for what I found. I couldn't control it. It scared me. I had nowhere to go. I thought of returning home to Ocampa, but I'd changed too much. I knew they'd be frightened of me. I knew they wouldn't accept me, but they'll accept her. "

(the 'her' being the younger Kes she sedated).

Thank you. It's actually really sad what became of her but I still like it

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I can't stand the EMH.

Chakotay and Kim are dull, Neelix is irritating, and Seven hogs too much time on camera, but it is the Doctor that I find to be the worst one.

 

[hux]

Paris appears to be the most likeable. He does have that Everyman quality.

He was also the character that people would most like to hang out with.

 

[Lynx]

It's been a while since I saw Fury but what was supposed to have happened to Kes since The Gift to make her so bitter and angry? I know she went senile in her old age but did some of her anger stem from her being alone for so many years? She must have had some interaction with other races because she had that ship.

I don't think there's much (on-screen) information about that. The only information I can remember is this quote from the script:

"In three years, I'm going to leave Voyager in search of higher things because you encouraged me to do it. You encouraged me to develop my mental abilities. I wasn't ready for what I found. I couldn't control it. It scared me. I had nowhere to go. I thought of returning home to Ocampa, but I'd changed too much. I knew they'd be frightened of me. I knew they wouldn't accept me, but they'll accept her. "

(the 'her' being the younger Kes she sedated).

Honestly, this piece of s**t script is so full of stupidities and contradictions that no one can take it seriously.

That's not surprising because the only purpose with that episode was to destroy a beloved character and gravely insult the fans of that character.

The three sadists who wrote it can take their toilet paper script, stuff it up their fat a**es.

I would actually like to have a chat with any of them, most likely Braga.

No, I wouldn't whack him. Just a nice talk over a cup of coffee or a beer when I would like him to explain why he came up with such a hideous idea and if he know that they actually insulted a lot of fans with that episode. Not to mention that their original plan was to kill of the chaarcter.

It would be interesting to hear his comments.

 

[borgboy]

If I have to pick one, then it has to be Seven.

No, I don't hate the character. I have learned to accept the character and also learned that a lot of people like the character for different reasons.

But it was her installment in the series which led to the "departure" of Kes and I didn't like the catsuit, the hype of the character and how the character was marketed by those in charge.

Kes is my favorite, but I don't hold her leaving against Seven, who I do like. There was plenty of room for both characters.
The blame is all on the producers.
Kim is by far the most boring and useless character.
The String Theory trilogy does a great job of retconing The Fury away, which was an atrocity that should never have been made.

 

[stardream]

I have conflicted feelings about Torres. I LIKE the character herself and the way she interacts with the rest of the cast, her relationship with Tom etc but for whatever reason I just do not care for the Torres focused episodes. I find myself bored with almost all of them with the exceptions of Day of Honor and Lineage. I sit down and try to watch them through and give them a chance but I find my attention wandering before I am even halfway into it. There is very little about them that keeps my interest.

 

[Kilana2]

Funny thing is, that Harry Kim may have been promoted in the Litverse, but other characters still get all the attention and Harry still gets somehow the shit end of the stick. Kirsten Beyer tries to include as many characters as possible. Harry isn't on top of her list as it seems.

 

[WoTe]

There's an important difference.

In a way, 7 is supposed to be evil.

Evil (borg) turned good (protagonist: borg trying to regain humanity), but still, she stems from an evil source. So turning back to 'evil' isn't that taxing, emotionally.

Kes was supposed to be 'good' and 'innocent' 100%. Making her evil suddenly has the same horrifying effect as using clowns in It (Stephen King): something that isn't supposed to be evil is perverted, horribly.

I'm pretty sure clowns are inherently evil... Voyager backs me up on this in the thaw.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/halloween/11194653/Why-are-we-so-scared-of-clowns.html

 

[stardream]

So Tom Paris is the best character?

I'm not voting for him but was just going over some reasons that I have heard from people who do not care for him. I found very few who outright hated him.

Some don't care for him because they believe him to be a Marty Stu (or whatever it is they are calling it these days). He's cute, he can fly the ship yadda yadda. You've seen that list. I could agree with them on that. The number of things that he 'knows' or 'can do' got longer with each episode.

Some find him too 'bland' or 'vanilla'. He is after all the only 'white' boy in the main cast. (Hey...I'm a member of an ethnic minority. I call my husband that sometimes).

One very odd thing I have found (mostly in comment sections that I should not be reading) is some people who apparently watched the show for maybe the first two seasons and gave up on it have that early version of Paris stuck in their heads. A lot of us who know better tend to gang up on them and ask "You didn't watch the later seasons did you?"

 

[at Quark's]

There's an important difference.

In a way, 7 is supposed to be evil.

Evil (borg) turned good (protagonist: borg trying to regain humanity), but still, she stems from an evil source. So turning back to 'evil' isn't that taxing, emotionally.

Kes was supposed to be 'good' and 'innocent' 100%. Making her evil suddenly has the same horrifying effect as using clowns in It (Stephen King): something that isn't supposed to be evil is perverted, horribly.

I'm pretty sure clowns are inherently evil... Voyager backs me up on this in the thaw.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/halloween/11194653/Why-are-we-so-scared-of-clowns.html

OK, perhaps I exaggerated a bit in making the comparison with 'it' . Still, turning someone who has been (portrayed) as kind and pure most of her life suddenly into a monster of destruction, simply doesn't jibe with me.

That link seems like an interesting read, BTW. Hope to get to it somewhen this week.

 

[Lynx]

So Tom Paris is the best character?

I'm not voting for him but was just going over some reasons that I have heard from people who do not care for him. I found very few who outright hated him.

Some don't care for him because they believe him to be a Marty Stu (or whatever it is they are calling it these days). He's cute, he can fly the ship yadda yadda. You've seen that list. I could agree with them on that. The number of things that he 'knows' or 'can do' got longer with each episode.

Some find him too 'bland' or 'vanilla'. He is after all the only 'white' boy in the main cast. (Hey...I'm a member of an ethnic minority. I call my husband that sometimes).

One very odd thing I have found (mostly in comment sections that I should not be reading) is some people who apparently watched the show for maybe the first two seasons and gave up on it have that early version of Paris stuck in their heads. A lot of us who know better tend to gang up on them and ask "You didn't watch the later seasons did you?"

I like Paris. Great character!

But I find him better in the early seasons. He became bland after that.

 

[stardream]

I like Paris. Great character!

But I find him better in the early seasons. He became bland after that.

To me he was like a bridge between all the other characters if that makes sense. He wasn't the 'heart of the show' (that was Janeway although some could argue for the Doctor or Seven) but he was the one that moved easily from one to the other within that circle if that makes any sense. Tuvok and The Doctor 'tolerated' him but he could still play off of them pretty well. He was a way to keep them all connected. That could come across as bland I suppose. That's just how I saw him. Other opinions may vary of course.

 

[WoTe]

Tom pretty much singlehandedly retook the ship in Basics after everyone but Suder and the doctor was offloaded down the planet. He had pretty big roles the first 3 seasons - Year of Hell helping sabotage the time ship while Chakotay was falling under Professor Time's teachings, that adventure back on Earth with Sarah Silverman etc.

And some after season 3, but I assume 7/9 became the writer's preferred heroine.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

Kes.

It's not just that she wasn't very interesting, but that she was out of place in the cast.

All the other characters had a tragic flaw (Janeway's determination bordering on obsession, Chakotay's trust in strangers, B'Elanna's temper, Tom's impulsiveness, Harry's naiveness, etc.) All the other characters had to struggle. Every single one of them had to work to get the other characters to trust and respect them. This is why Seven of Nine was such a hit; she was the epitome of what "Voyager" was about--imperfect characters struggling and learning.

Kes? She stepped aboard the ship beautiful, kind, smart, with photographic memory, determined, with speshul mind powers that constantly saved the day. Everyone loved her instantly. Tom and Neelix fought over her, while the Doc had the holo-hots as well. I won't even mention all the Mary Sue gushing she got in "Before and After," especially from a very out-of-character Tom. (Ugh.)

Kes might've fit in with the elite, best-of-the-best crew of TNG, along side super-speshul boy-genius Wesley Crusher. But on a show that was apparently about imperfect people with struggles, Kes didn't exactly fit the bill.

The tragic irony of course is that her backstory, on paper, set up for a great character with tons of flaws. She should have been sheltered and naive to a fault. She should have been eccentric and weird from the perspective of humans, and maybe other Alpha Quadrant aliens (show how far from home the crew was). The dangers of exploring her powers should have come up in more than three episodes. She could've been like Jean Grey the Phoenix. Instead, they gave us a Disney princess. And not the cool modern Disney Princess, the Snow White/Cinderella kind.

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

This episode isn't as bad as Trekkies make it out to be!

It keeps your attention and builds, The Paris actor gives a good performance- he can carry an episode.

Nice to see an attempt at something beyond bumpy foreheads- the salamanders were different for modern Trek. Very entertaining episode. The episode with the "Laverne & Shirley"/ David St.Hubbins clown was much,much worse, and not one you would ever show anyone as an example of Star Trek!

Voyager is great!- more consistent than TNG or DS9 in its first 2 seasons--I don't get all the criticism--people were spoiled on Trek by 1996 I guess.


I digress however--I voted Neelix as he's OK sometimes--but he's definitely no "morale officer" and not funny, and creepy when Kes has to kiss him.

 

[stardream]

I agree about Threshold. The first thirty minutes or so are fine. I think the whole Warp 10 thing is kind of dumb but then so are dark matter asteroids. Whatever.

Its when it gets into the super weird fake science territory that I have to fast forward through it with my eyes closed.

 

[The Caretaker]

I would have voted Naomi Wildman if that was an option...

 

[Khan444]

Neelix, definitely Neelix. Oh how I DETEST him as a character. And the fact that they got rid of Kes but kept him annoys me to this day.