V (Reboot)

[QuasarVM]

Both versions were nice FX shots, but I really liked the pullback they used on this version to show this fleet was way out there in space...

I'm just happy to see actual spaceships in actual outer space on TV again. I thought TV forgot that spaceships exist.

And no, Stargate doesn't count.

It made it look like the fleet was way out in some other star system, and if that's the case, why should we care?

Presumably the V's have FTL drive like all good space aliens do. Hard to take them seriously if they don't!

Why doesn't Stargate count?

 

[QuasarVM]

^Technicalities and after-the-fact rationalizations aside, my point is that if they wanted to convey the immediate, visceral impression of imminent danger from an enormous alien fleet, a shot that went out of its way to show that the fleet was wayyyyyyyyyy over there kind of undermined that goal. In short, they overdid it. They got so caught up in making the shot as big and long and flashy as they could that they diminished its potency in favor of superficiality. Which is pretty much symptomatic of their approach to the whole series so far.

Disagree (big shock, huh?). I think it's excellent so far...but you know what they say about opinions and what they have in common with a certain part of the anatomy.

 

[Meredith]

Both versions were nice FX shots, but I really liked the pullback they used on this version to show this fleet was way out there in space...

I'm just happy to see actual spaceships in actual outer space on TV again. I thought TV forgot that spaceships exist.

And no, Stargate doesn't count.

It made it look like the fleet was way out in some other star system, and if that's the case, why should we care?

Presumably the V's have FTL drive like all good space aliens do. Hard to take them seriously if they don't!

I liked the giant alien fleet, I just got goosebumps thinking of all of the scaly non-human-skinned alien critters aboard those ships......

I think the whole fleet in space was great and I didn't confuse the other solar system for our own, but it will be interesting to find out what the "Home" system of the aliens is or if their Home system has been forgotten with them possibly being "space nomads" living a parasitical existence off of other species they encounter....

I would love to see "Global Warming" specifically "Sea Level Rise" exposed on the show as some "Infiltrator Propaganda" so they could sucker us into letting them take a crap ton of ocean water, heh! Not that it is, but it would be funny to see them playing on our eco-fears to advance their agenda in show.

 

[Christopher]

^Why would they want to take our water? If they need H-two-O, there's millions of times more of it in the icy moons, dwarf planets, and comets of the outer Solar system than there is in Earth's thin hydrosphere. Not to mention the cometary belts and clouds of every other planetary system in the galaxy. Water is one of the most abundant compounds in the universe, and the idea that Earth is the only place to find it is ridiculous. The whole "they need our water" thing was one of the stupidest aspects of the original, and it would be a real shame if the new series emulated it -- considering that it's abandoned virtually everything that was intelligent about the original.

 

[LutherSloan]

After watching the first four episodes, I'm not exactly wishing that it was still on.

Maybe it was due to the production issues, but there's no sense of URGENCY on this show. You would think on a show about an alien invasion there would be a feeling that things should move fast, but everyone on the show acts like nothing's really changed since the aliens arrived. It has a real problem with showing any daily impact on the lives of people beyond the small circle of characters (which are all somehow connected, of course).

The characters are mostly shallow or annoying, and the more intriguing characters are minor ones who may not be around for that long.

But basically, nothing of note has happened so far in this series, and it's a major problem.

 

[QuasarVM]

Oh...pish!!

It's a great series and what do expect to see?

They jumped into the traitor alien aspect right away. The original V was MUCH slower than this is.

But, I don't expect the new V would appeal to those who enjoyed the movie 2012...

This series is proceeding about as fast as I would expect it to and the characters are no more "shallow" than those in the original.

The annoying character was the one Freddy Krueger played in the original...that and the super-offspring...

BAH! Don't tell me this one isn't better than the original...it certainly is.

 

[LutherSloan]

I have no interest in seeing 2012, and I don't know what that has to do with anything.

I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like the aliens want our emotions or something corny like that. They certainly don't want or need our resources, and the fact that the V leader is so interested in 'recruiting' Tyler for whatever reason is odd. I think he's probably supposed to 'mate' with her daughter to produce a hybrid baby. That does connect to the original series somewhat, and it was hinted at again when one of the V infiltrators' wives turns out to be pregnant.

 

[QuasarVM]

I have no interest in seeing 2012, and I don't know what that has to do with anything.

I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like the aliens want our emotions or something corny like that. They certainly don't want or need our resources, and the fact that the V leader is so interested in 'recruiting' Tyler for whatever reason is odd. I think he's probably supposed to 'mate' with her daughter to produce a hybrid baby. That does connect to the original series somewhat, and it was hinted at again when one of the V infiltrators' wives turns out to be pregnant.

2012 = fast paced eye-candy with little story and characterization; V = heavier on story/plot and metaphor with characters at least as good as those in the original V. My point was someone (not you necessarily) who likes fast paced action stuff may not want to sit still for "V"...

And actually, they did say in the first episode water was at least part of the deal...that was in the original, so I can see why they kept it.

Yeah, I guess they are intent on doing the hybrid baby thing -- I just hope they don't make it corny like in the original...

That was pure cheese.

 

[Christopher]

I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like the aliens want our emotions or something corny like that. They certainly don't want or need our resources, and the fact that the V leader is so interested in 'recruiting' Tyler for whatever reason is odd.

My conjecture is that they want to assimilate us into their "bliss" collective consciousness. Maybe that's why they had to infiltrate and manipulate us, a tactic that makes no sense if their goal is conventional conquest, since they have such overwhelming military force to bring to bear. Maybe our "conversion" (to borrow a term from the original) has to be voluntary, so they have to seduce us into submitting. That would actually kind of make sense of what's been a rather incoherent premise so far.

I think he's probably supposed to 'mate' with her daughter to produce a hybrid baby. That does connect to the original series somewhat, and it was hinted at again when one of the V infiltrators' wives turns out to be pregnant.

Yeah, that annoys me. At least the original had the good sense to portray the hybrid pregnancy as something that required super-advanced medical science to make possible. The idea of an unplanned human-alien hybrid pregnancy is just ludicrous.

2012 = fast paced eye-candy with little story and characterization; V = heavier on story/plot and metaphor with characters at least as good as those in the original V. My point was someone (not you necessarily) who likes fast paced action stuff may not want to sit still for "V"...

Don't be insulting. It's very condescending and unfair to assume that if people don't like what you like, it means they prefer mindlessness. I much prefer intelligent, thoughtful storytelling with rich characters -- and to me, this show does not qualify. It's trying to be, but failing. The characters are flat, most of the actors are unappealing (Baccarin's the only one who's really impressing me), and the underlying concepts, plot, and theme don't demonstrate any real coherence or careful thought behind them.

And actually, they did say in the first episode water was at least part of the deal...that was in the original, so I can see why they kept it.

But they didn't keep it, not quite. In the original, the Visitors intended to take our water in secret, claiming that they were just temporarily using it to process their chemicals when in fact they were stockpiling it for removal. Here, they're honest about the fact that they need to take a quantity of our water, and nobody's treating that as a big deal. Which is one of the very few things the new show is doing that are smarter than the original.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Both versions were nice FX shots, but I really liked the pullback they used on this version to show this fleet was way out there in space...

I'm just happy to see actual spaceships in actual outer space on TV again. I thought TV forgot that spaceships exist.

And no, Stargate doesn't count.

It made it look like the fleet was way out in some other star system, and if that's the case, why should we care?

Presumably the V's have FTL drive like all good space aliens do. Hard to take them seriously if they don't!

Why doesn't Stargate count?

Because I don't like it. Gotta be a show I'd be willing to watch.

The reason they showed the fleet in some other star system is simple. They know the general public has a sense of how long it takes for advanced spaceships of TV sci fi to travel from point A to point B . They know this because the Feddies always seemed to get from Earth to DS9, on the ass-end of Fed space, in about a week. That would have required traversing dozens of star systems. I'm sure there are other examples from TV and movies.

The upshot is, if the aliens were already in the Solar System, the audience would expect them to show up on Earth when the series returns in March and I'd bet the plan is to keep that event for the season finale several weeks later. The aliens are where they need to be so they can arrive when they're supposed to arrive.

 

[Christopher]

^That doesn't follow. It assumes the fleet is actually moving toward Earth, but that's not the only thing a fleet can do. In the original series, which this shot was homaging, the Visitor fleet was hiding out behind Earth's Moon, biding its time until it had an opening to return. It was lying in wait for the right moment to strike.

And in this shot, the fleet was not in motion; it was holding station in orbit of a gas giant. It was waiting for something. Given that, and given the precedent in the original series, it would be far more foreboding for the fleet to be holding station in orbit of Jupiter than it would be for it to be sitting still in some totally different star system.

 

[QuasarVM]

Don't be insulting.

This, coming from the king of arrogance, insult and condescension because he thinks he's better than everyone else. I suspect this is because he's a writer (whoopty-DOO!!!).

Christopher, you've been "itching for a fight" with me from the "git-go" with YOUR attitude. Other people may put up with your arrogance, but it's coming to an end of my choosing now.

You should be pleased to know you just made my ignore list.

 

[QuasarVM]

I'm just happy to see actual spaceships in actual outer space on TV again. I thought TV forgot that spaceships exist.

And no, Stargate doesn't count.

Presumably the V's have FTL drive like all good space aliens do. Hard to take them seriously if they don't!

Why doesn't Stargate count?

Because I don't like it. Gotta be a show I'd be willing to watch.

The reason they showed the fleet in some other star system is simple. They know the general public has a sense of how long it takes for advanced spaceships of TV sci fi to travel from point A to point B . They know this because the Feddies always seemed to get from Earth to DS9, on the ass-end of Fed space, in about a week. That would have required traversing dozens of star systems. I'm sure there are other examples from TV and movies.

The upshot is, if the aliens were already in the Solar System, the audience would expect them to show up on Earth when the series returns in March and I'd bet the plan is to keep that event for the season finale several weeks later. The aliens are where they need to be so they can arrive when they're supposed to arrive.

That's cool, Tem...we don't all have to like the same stuff.

But, if people present their reasons for not liking something and I disagree, then I'm going to say so.



BUT -- I happen to agree with your post above "in toto"...lol!

 

[Temis the Vorta]

It assumes the fleet is actually moving toward Earth

Of course they're moving towards Earth! That's where the TV cameras are for the TV show that the aliens are on!

Or dya think the whole story will now move, say, to Alpha Centauri? Considering how frakkin' predictable the show is, I'd love that, but I rather doubt that will occur.

And in this shot, the fleet was not in motion; it was holding station in orbit of a gas giant. It was waiting for something.

They're waiting the producers to tell them, "the ratings are in the tank, get your green butts to New York City and blow the sucker sky high or we're all hittin' the unemployment line!"

An alien invasion is just the thing to bump the ratings for the season finale and give this show a hope in hell of coming back for S2. Right now, it's a very iffy proposition so maybe they should just take that vacation on Alpha Centauri instead.

 

[QuasarVM]

They're waiting the producers to tell them, "the ratings are in the tank, get your green butts to New York City and blow the sucker sky high or we're all hittin' the unemployment line!"

You got spunk, kid!