USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[cooleddie74]

Phlox implied that the cure was inevitable. It's not Kirk in TMP saying: "Hey, the Klingons finally cured that cosmetic ailment they were suffering from and now look like the medieval lobsters they should have all along" but it's close enough to run with.

 

[BillJ]

There is no canon that a cure was found period.

There's also nothing in canon that contradicts a cure being found. One of those preponderance of evidence things where this is concerned.

 

[cooleddie74]

To be fair the Enterprise is verbally said to have just 203 officers and crew at the time of DSC, possibly spoken by Burnham herself.

 

[Yistaan]

Phlox implied that the cure was inevitable. It's not Kirk in TMP saying: "Hey, the Klingons finally cured that cosmetic ailment they were suffering from and now look like the medieval lobsters they should have all along" but it's close enough to run with.

PHLOX: In the future, it may be possible to reverse the cosmetic effects.
ANTAAK: I suppose this is what I deserve. Millions of my people will have to live with this disfigurement. It'll be passed on to our children. Life won't be easy for us.
PHLOX: You did your best to correct your mistakes. That's all we can ask of ourselves.
ANTAAK: I doubt my superiors will allow me to remain in my position. I'll need to find a new specialty. Perhaps cranial reconstruction.

As someone who has a permanent health impairment who's read for years that a cure was inevitable (it's no closer now than 10 years ago when I got my injury), a doctor's optimistic outlook is no guarantee any cure is coming, either in the real world or Star Trek.

 

[BillJ]

To be fair the Enterprise is verbally said to have just 203 officers and crew at the time of DSC, possibly spoken by Burnham herself.

I must be mistaken, I thought she said 429? That number sticks in my head because when they do the sensor sweep the number is actually one shy (Spock) of the full TOS compliment.

This is what happens when you apply seven hundred-plus hours of Trek to one human brain.

 

[cooleddie74]

PHLOX: In the future, it may be possible to reverse the cosmetic effects.
ANTAAK: I suppose this is what I deserve. Millions of my people will have to live with this disfigurement. It'll be passed on to our children. Life won't be easy for us.
PHLOX: You did your best to correct your mistakes. That's all we can ask of ourselves.
ANTAAK: I doubt my superiors will allow me to remain in my position. I'll need to find a new specialty. Perhaps cranial reconstruction.

As someone who has a permanent health impairment who's read for years that a cure was inevitable (it's no closer now than 10 years ago when I got my injury), a doctor's optimistic outlook is no guarantee any cure is coming, either in the real world or Star Trek.

I'm sorry to hear that. Best thoughts and wishes!

On the bright side at least nobody in this argument is saying that the Augment Virus never happened and has been retconned away by DSC or that it was so stupid we should just ignore it.

 

[BillJ]

On the bright side at least nobody in this argument is saying that the Augment Virus never happened and has been retconned away by DSC or that it was so stupid we should just ignore it.

Yet. But the complete and total lack of unaffected Klingons kinda leaves me to believe that they've decided to completely ignore the virus and its outcome.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm sorry to hear that. Best thoughts and wishes!

On the bright side at least nobody in this argument is saying that the Augment Virus never happened and has been retconned away by DSC or that it was so stupid we should just ignore it.

Thanks.

 

[BillJ]

To be fair the Enterprise is verbally said to have just 203 officers and crew at the time of DSC, possibly spoken by Burnham herself.

Right you are.

https://www.springfieldspringfield....-show=star-trek-discovery-2017&episode=s02e01

 

[cooleddie74]

Yet. But the complete and total lack of unaffected Klingons kinda leaves me to believe that they've decided to completely ignore the virus and its outcome.

I still have hopes we'll see some Augment Klingons when DSC returns to its 23rd Century setting. I won't get my hopes up at all but at least Bryan Fuller is no longer there to dictate that every Klingon in the series look like an Orc at a Gwar concert.

 

[Yistaan]

I still have hopes we'll see some Augment Klingons when DSC returns to its 23rd Century setting. I won't get my hopes up at all but at least Bryan Fuller is no longer there to dictate that every Klingon in the series look like an Orc at a Gwar concert.

I don't think we will see them to be honest unless they are played by actors of African descent. I'm sort of surprised they got away with it in Enterprise. Makeup just to make the skin look darker isn't done anymore and is controversial and offensive to a lot.

 

[cooleddie74]

Oh, they'd be black, Hispanic or Asian/Middle Eastern in descent if they get cast.

 

[BillJ]

I still have hopes we'll see some Augment Klingons when DSC returns to its 23rd Century setting. I won't get my hopes up at all but at least Bryan Fuller is no longer there to dictate that every Klingon in the series look like an Orc at a Gwar concert.

Maybe you're right. But I think they are long gone, much like the original Enterprise.

 

[Racefuel]

The "203 lives" is a direct reference to the events of The Cage..

You bet I'm tired. You bet. I'm tired of being responsible for two hundred and three lives. I'm tired of deciding which mission is too risky and which isn't, and who's going on the landing party and who doesn't, and who lives and who dies. Boy, I've had it, Phil.

Pike to the Enterprise doctor at the time

 

[BillJ]

The "203 lives" is a direct reference to the events of The Cage..

Pike to the Enterprise doctor at the time

The 429 must have been from one of the computer readouts that were in pics that were released.

 

[Racefuel]

The 429 must have been from one of the computer readouts that were in pics that were released.

It's from the infographic that also shows the straight pylon Discovery Enterprise

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)?file=Enterprise's_file.jpg

 

[BillJ]

It's from the infographic that also shows the straight pylon Discovery Enterprise

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)?file=Enterprise's_file.jpg

That would be it! Thanks.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's from the infographic that also shows the straight pylon Discovery Enterprise

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)?file=Enterprise's_file.jpg

Now THAT'S what she should have looked like in the show.

 

[cooleddie74]

Oh, and those dimensions count as onscreen canon until onscreen canon contradicts them. Suck it, over 400 meters!

 

[Racefuel]

Now THAT'S what she should have looked like in the show.

IIRC this is exactly what was supposed to show up but at the 11th hour they went more radical.

Obviously they didn't just create this production ready infograph for shits and giggles.