A wholesale refit to look like the TOS version won't happen.
it’d almost certainly wipe out 90% of the critics
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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it’d almost certainly wipe out 90% of the critics
Yeah, at that point we won't be seeing her interiors anymore unless we get a Pike series or another Short Trek about the Enterprise so focus on the exterior appearance of the ship.
No one's asking for an onscreen refit. Just end a Pike show before TOS and let a reference guide handle the refit. All we ask is that we don't have the Disco-Enterprise flying around during Kirk's TOS tenure.
That could work very well. Use already constructed sets while reworking the CGI model. Perhaps, for the money, it is the best option.
It would be nice for the change to be acknowledged and fans can stop complaining.
Give the classic fans the external ship we're familiar with and the newer fans get the DSC interiors. It's almost a win-win even for pedantic fans like Trekkies.
...It's not as if Trekkies would be unreceptive to the idea of NCC-1701 getting a refit! And we sorta get three or four at the price of one in the current situation:
- Pike has the TOS ship back during his first Talosian adventure, even as seen in DSC
- The ship then gains double pylons at some point, as per the computer displays of "Brother", so that she can bear the weight of the new, more ample nacelles
- Those don't pan out, and she gets the angled pylons instead
- When Pike manages to tear his ship to pieces one time too many, Starfleet gives up in disgust and reinstalls the smaller engines from a spares pile, planning on expending the ship on that harebrained mission outside the galaxy
- And then comes the Organian peace, with treaty limitations on laying of new keels, and Kirk embarrasses Starfleet by making NCC-1701 too famous to scrap, and we thus get the TMP refit where the ship "returns to modern" after all
Timo Saloniemi
- Pike has the TOS ship back during his first Talosian adventure, even as seen in DSC
- The ship then gains double pylons at some point, as per the computer displays of "Brother", so that she can bear the weight of the new, more ample nacelles
- Those don't pan out, and she gets the angled pylons instead
- When Pike manages to tear his ship to pieces one time too many, Starfleet gives up in disgust and reinstalls the smaller engines from a spares pile, planning on expending the ship on that harebrained mission outside the galaxy
- And then comes the Organian peace, with treaty limitations on laying of new keels, and Kirk embarrasses Starfleet by making NCC-1701 too famous to scrap, and we thus get the TMP refit where the ship "returns to modern" after all
Timo Saloniemi
We already have. "Ephraim and Dot". And we already know the Discoprise IS the Enterprise from "The Cage" via flashbacks in "If Memory Serves"
That's animated and can be handwaved. The flashbacks in If Memory Serves outright show the Enterprise looking different. The configuration hinted at in JJM's novel accounts for the change.
This, for me, is a problem. CBS made it, CBS sold it under their Discovery/Short Treks banner. It is as canon as anything else. It is the Enterprise now. The only thing I wish they would've done in regards to the ship, was to keep the straight pylons.
I don't know quite where the novel fits into the continuity, but "Q&A" is set before "The Cage" but again shows the Discoveryprise. So the idea is the ship was entirely rebuilt, debuilt, rebuilt again and finally debuilt again for TOS? With costumes flip-flopping back and forth the whole time?
The exterior can be handwaved. But, yeah, I do think a bridge module came into play there.
The CBS crew hasn't helped themselves in this regard between "If Memory Serves..." and "Ephraim & Dot".
Then, despite their claims of being superfans, they didn’t know their audience very well.
There's also the massive assumption in your posts that cosmetic refits can't happen as easily as changing your desktop theme. It's clear now there was a lot of off-screen tech like holograms and DOT droids and quantum stasis that were just never seen before but were always there. Who's to say Kirk didn't just say "Computer, change bridge theme from Pike A3 to Kirk D1?"
True refits like TMP are functional refits, not just cosmetic.
This is a universe where matter is stored in quantum archives, as seen in Picard. The bridge configurations could be stored in a computer and then materialized at any time. And that quantum stasis tech is clearly transporter tech, which TOS already had.
Yeah, it would be at this point where the universe just becomes silly to try and explain something that should've had more thought put into it. Lets be honest, they didn't need to show the Enterprise exterior from TOS in "If Memory Serves...". There was no rhyme or reason behind it.
The reason was simply to inspire nostalgia...
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