Disco essentially rebooted the 23rd century. Take it or leave it.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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IIRC, that was fake. They were $900 T-Shirts from J. Crew or some equally crazy thing.
Damn, that would have been sweet to see onscreen.
I don't get the joke. Screw nostalgia or something? He tweeted the captains chair too, that wasn't fake. Why should the uniforms have been?
So, what part of that doesn’t make it fake?
Everything? If he had outright lied, then I guess you could call that 'fake'. But making a joke isn't 'fake'.
This is the way I picture it:
If Fuller wanted each season of Discovery to take place in a different era with a different set of characters, then it was only going to stay in the TOS Era for one season. He wanted it to look as much like TOS as possible. If that didn't go over well, then no big deal because the next season wouldn't be like that because it wouldn't take place then.
Then people above Bryan Fuller said, "We don't want to do all that! It sounds expensive! Set the show in one time-frame with one set of characters. Just stick with Kirk's time." Then Bryan probably said, "Okay. Not a problem. This is what I want to do. This is how I want it to look." Then CBS probably said, "No! You can't do that!" Then Bryan might've replied with, "But I thought you said you wanted the TOS Era." To which CBS would reply, "We want our own version of Star Trek. The Abrams Films are hot. The TOS Era is where it's at! But they updated the look! We want you to update the look too! But make it look different from the update JJ Abrams did!" Then Bryan might've said, "Okay, but..." CBS getting frustrated might've said, "Stop arguing. This is what we want you to do. Go ahead and make it happen!" Then Bryan might've replied with, "But isn't that a reboot?" CBS getting annoyed would say, "No! We're doing the Prime Universe! That's what makes our Star Trek separate from Paramount's Star Trek!" Bryan muses, "But if it's not the same, then it's a reboot!" CBS snaps, "IT'S A VISUAL REBOOT AND IF ANYONE ASKS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THEM!!!! Now get out of my office!!!!!" Then Bryan left. To fight another day. After which he left "to focus on American Gods."
This would explain CBS's point of view, what Bryan Fuller probably wanted, and what we ended up with and why.
If Fuller wanted each season of Discovery to take place in a different era with a different set of characters, then it was only going to stay in the TOS Era for one season. He wanted it to look as much like TOS as possible. If that didn't go over well, then no big deal because the next season wouldn't be like that because it wouldn't take place then.
Then people above Bryan Fuller said, "We don't want to do all that! It sounds expensive! Set the show in one time-frame with one set of characters. Just stick with Kirk's time." Then Bryan probably said, "Okay. Not a problem. This is what I want to do. This is how I want it to look." Then CBS probably said, "No! You can't do that!" Then Bryan might've replied with, "But I thought you said you wanted the TOS Era." To which CBS would reply, "We want our own version of Star Trek. The Abrams Films are hot. The TOS Era is where it's at! But they updated the look! We want you to update the look too! But make it look different from the update JJ Abrams did!" Then Bryan might've said, "Okay, but..." CBS getting frustrated might've said, "Stop arguing. This is what we want you to do. Go ahead and make it happen!" Then Bryan might've replied with, "But isn't that a reboot?" CBS getting annoyed would say, "No! We're doing the Prime Universe! That's what makes our Star Trek separate from Paramount's Star Trek!" Bryan muses, "But if it's not the same, then it's a reboot!" CBS snaps, "IT'S A VISUAL REBOOT AND IF ANYONE ASKS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THEM!!!! Now get out of my office!!!!!" Then Bryan left. To fight another day. After which he left "to focus on American Gods."
This would explain CBS's point of view, what Bryan Fuller probably wanted, and what we ended up with and why.
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In that case Fuller had the far better argument. CBS may be competent production businessmen but creative braintrusts they're not.
That's not really their job.
And it shows.
If only I could fail so hard at my not job.And it shows.
Wait 'til you see my re-enactment of what I think happened for Season 2. 
Don't spoil it for me. I'm waiting for the movie to come outWait 'til you see my re-enactment of what I think happened for Season 2.
Eh I don’t think that’s it at all. It was Fuller who wanted everything changed, not CBS.
Uh, yes? It completely matters, that’s the entire context of the tweet.
The only thing supporting that is the tricolored uniforms. Everything else we know - from the complete Klingon redesign, to Fuller-approved concept art for three(!) different expensive bridge sets (including for the fucking Europa! Which is just a giant waste of money), to the frankly stupid design notes on starships (flat! No round nacelles! Gold hull instead of grey for the Discovery!) - they all paint the opposite picture:
Specifically Fuller dumping everything that vaguely looked or felt like Trek.
And then somebody else taking over that had no clue about Star Trek at all, but knew what a generic science fiction show should look like (grey corridors, blue uniforms, darkly lit), and just made that to get anything on screen.
But this is all just speculation. I'm really, really, really craving some juicy behind-the-scenes book or article. That's gonna' be one hell of an interesting read.
Same here.
It could be decades before we see the "real" story. I think it's only been within the last 5-10 years that we've started getting more candid behind-the-scenes accounts regarding the Berman Era, not including from Ron Moore or Robert Beltran.
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A cool render
https://www.deviantart.com/cannikin1701/art/Star-Trek-1966-and-2019-812615668
I could see the DSC Enterprise being a 'Phase II' like variant, between TOS and TMP, but not as a Pre-TOS design.
https://www.deviantart.com/cannikin1701/art/Star-Trek-1966-and-2019-812615668
I could see the DSC Enterprise being a 'Phase II' like variant, between TOS and TMP, but not as a Pre-TOS design.
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