USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Likely no more than when the Star Trek Beyond bridge graphics (and first trailer) all featured the ST'09/ID Enterprise and not the updated version with swept-back nacelles and a thinner neck. They just hasn't finalized the design yet.

Or the Phase II Enterprise showing up on displays in TMP and TWOK, Franz Joseph's Constitution in TSFS, the various graphics in TOS showing configurations not precisely matching any iteration of either filming model, or any number of other similar situations throughout Trek.

I completely agree that's the likelihood.

Of course, alternatively, this could be the Enterprise as she looked when Pike began his 5-year mission, before his crew had to make ad hoc repairs and improvements along the way, or as she will look when next (or later) seen after system-wide refitting(s)! For all we know, the VFX team made their initial changes from Eaves' concept specifically to the end that we would be able to observe her change into this more TOS-ish form in the course of the show as it goes on, foreshadowing her future, just as Eaves intended (and just as the Defiant wireframe was modified to suggest she had been reverse-engineered by the Terrans over the course of the century since she was last seen in ENT). Only time may tell.

-MMoM

 

[Kemaiku]

The render used in that info graphic is in the booklet the comes with the Eaglemoss model. I believe it said it was the final design sent to the VFX team.

Then they obviously changed their minds after that. The model in the episode is higher quality than season 1, looks like this is the one they're sticking with.

 

[Tuskin38]

Then they obviously changed their minds after that. The model in the episode is higher quality than season 1, looks like this is the one they're sticking with.

Sorry I just meant it wasn’t new art by the 2D team. They didn’t make it for this episode.

 

[Kemaiku]

Sorry I just meant it wasn’t new art by the 2D team.

Ahh okay.

But I do think that the design we see is meant to be the configuration of the ship until at least 2260 when this 5 year mission is up. They've eliminated any real gaps between them, so she's not been out of action long enough to have changed much since launching either.

Either that, or "5 year mission" just means a 5 year period of operation that can include refits etc within it and not all spend in space.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

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Airplane, The Last Starfighter, V, and Star Trek are all set in the same double light tube universe, man. It's canon.
(click to enlarge)

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/reused_props_misc.htm

 

[DaveyNY]

The TrekBBS needs a forum that's nothing but red lights that move back and forth. Wait, we already do.

Never mind!

I wonder which Mod would take on the title of "Head Cheese" for that Forum?
<snicker>

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

It's also not unlike, IIRC, some of the graphics on the TMP bridge displays were actually of (some version of) the Phase II Enterprise. I'm not 100% sure, but that might have even carried over into TWOK.

Or the Phase II Enterprise showing up on displays in TMP and TWOK, Franz Joseph's Constitution in TSFS, the various graphics in TOS showing configurations not precisely matching any iteration of either filming model, or any number of other similar situations throughout Trek.

I completely agree that's the likelihood.

Of course, alternatively, this could be the Enterprise as she looked when Pike began his 5-year mission, before his crew had to make ad hoc repairs and improvements along the way, or as she will look when next (or later) seen after system-wide refitting(s)! For all we know, the VFX team made their initial changes from Eaves' concept specifically to the end that we would be able to observe her change into this more TOS-ish form in the course of the show as it goes on, foreshadowing her future, just as Eaves intended (and just as the Defiant wireframe was modified to suggest she had been reverse-engineered by the Terrans over the course of the century since she was last seen in ENT). Only time may tell.

-MMoM

A bridge display in STIII had the TOS/Franz Joseph style NCC-1700.

 

[cooleddie74]

Airplane, The Last Starfighter, V, and Star Trek are all set in the same double light tube universe, man. It's canon.
(click to enlarge)

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/reused_props_misc.htm

If DSC doesn't reuse this prop at least once I'm boycotting the show, and this time I'm sticking with it. Trek has standards, people, and we can't settle for less.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

If DSC doesn't reuse this prop at least once I'm boycotting the show, and this time I'm sticking with it. Trek has standards, people, and we can't settle for less.

And the Captain Proton death ray. I think it's rented out by the same company.

 

[Henoch]

And the Captain Proton death ray. I think it's rented out by the same company.

Can we hire Uncle Fester to shoot it, too?

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

But I do think that the design we see is meant to be the configuration of the ship until at least 2260 when this 5 year mission is up. They've eliminated any real gaps between them, so she's not been out of action long enough to have changed much since launching either.

Either that, or "5 year mission" just means a 5 year period of operation that can include refits etc within it and not all spend in space.

Kirk's five-year mission included layovers at starbases for repairs, patrols of the Neutral Zone, ferrying diplomats to and from core systems, providing security at Federation events, mobilizing to the anticipated front lines of renewed war with the Klingons, and any number of other assorted assignments that make it fairly clear it wasn't five straight years of exploring the remote reaches of deep space. (But of course, Pike's may well have been more in that vein.)

In either case, it seemed to me that the dialogue of "Brother" (DSC) implied Pike had already completed the five-year mission spoken of there, explicitly not having been recalled from it to fight in the war, and thus missing it out, yet having returned sometime in the preceding months since its end (during the last two of which Spock took leave and checked himself in at Starbase 5 per "New Eden"), and then had been sent to investigate the red bursts less than a day earlier. (Did I miss something?)

And from here on out, all we know is that Kirk takes command from Pike circa 2263, and begins a five-year mission circa 2265. Anything in between is entirely up to DSC to reveal (or not reveal) at this point.

A bridge display in STIII had the TOS/Franz Joseph style NCC-1700.

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And here are a few of the other examples...

-MMoM

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yes, that's a Phase II design, AFAIK.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Yes, that's a Phase II design, AFAIK.

Yup, you can tell most obviously by the "mouse ear" turbolifts. Somewhere else on the bridge, there's also a front view that shows the "pair of binoculars" torpedo launchers, too.

-MMoM

 

[F. King Daniel]

Also the deck plans at the damage and repair station are from the old Franz Joseph Booklet of General Plans, so when Enterprise is hit in engineering, and the correct-ish spot (well... 2 decks too low but whatever) is highlighted on the graphic, the graphic shows crew quarters and not the engineering core.

 

[Timo]

In either case, it seemed to me that the dialogue of "Brother" (DSC) implied Pike had already completed the five-year mission spoken of there, explicitly not having been recalled from it to fight in the war, and thus missing it out, yet having returned sometime in the preceding months since its end (during the last two of which Spock took leave and checked himself in at Starbase 5 per "New Eden"), and then had been sent to investigate the red bursts less than a day earlier. (Did I miss something?)

That's the gist of what we hear, yes. But it's not necessarily true that Pike was not ultimately recalled, or that he didn't return on his own accord; the discussion in which Pike explains why he feels bad and Burnham tries to make Pike feel good concentrates on the factual outcome, that of Pike indeed missing the war.

Perhaps he was on his way back with the intent of fighting when it turned out he didn't have to? Perhaps Starfleet had decided it was time to use this instrument of last resort, and issued the order, only it came too late?

And from here on out, all we know is that Kirk takes command from Pike circa 2263, and begins a five-year mission circa 2265. Anything in between is entirely up to DSC to reveal (or not reveal) at this point.

Showing NCC-1701 was a gimmick we were fully expecting, but not this soon. Showing young(er) Jim Kirk is no doubt next... But perhaps not right around the corner. Looking forward to seeing or not seeing...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

Shatner once said CBS would need Paramount's permission to use Kirk, so I suspect there are some very quiet agreements in place between Trek's separated parents.

Remember that 10-year no-compete clause nobody knew about until CBS announced it was over and they were pushing forward with Discovery?

 

[Henoch]

And from here on out, all we know is that Kirk takes command from Pike circa 2263, and begins a five-year mission circa 2265. Anything in between is entirely up to DSC to reveal (or not reveal) at this point.

Kirk takes over as Captain of the Enterprise on Stardate 1277.1 which in my head globe cannon is 07/24/2265.

 

[Ronald Held]

SOT but Pike had 2 5 years missions with a major refit in between?

 

[DaveyNY]

Shatner once said CBS would need Paramount's permission to use Kirk, so I suspect there are some very quiet agreements in place between Trek's separated parents.

Remember that 10-year no-compete clause nobody knew about until CBS announced it was over and they were pushing forward with Discovery?

Shatner's comment was more than a decade ago and it's now well known that Paramount has been at the whim of CBS since the latter refused to stop selling Classic TOS merchandise when requested by JJ & his Bad Robot Co. during the build up to Trek-2009.

And it wasn't a TEN YEAR no compete clause, it was simply an agreement to not create TV Trek till Paramount had done the original trilogy of JJ movies which then got extended for Beyond.

The fact that it took all those years to get the movies done, was not factored into the agreement.
It was simply a byproduct.
If Paramount had decided to not make the last two recent movies, CBS could have stepped in anytime after such an announcement and done whatever They wanted.
(which is what essentially has happened with JJ Trek-IV)

 

[Henoch]

SOT but Pike had 2 5 years missions with a major refit in between?

Good chance. ~2250 to mid-2265 = ~15 years. We don't know when Pike first took command; we only know he is captain ~2254, so, you could low ball Pike served as Captain for around 11 to 12 years (or eleven years, four months, five days), or high ball it to around 18 years.

My globe cannon: I'd like to think that after he finished the second 5 year mission, he was nursing the Enterprise along on shorter duration assignments waiting for a slot in the ship yards to refurbish the Enterprise. During an assignment to scan/map past the galaxy edge, Pike got promoted to Fleet Captain and transferred command to new captain James Kirk to complete the assignment. With the damage sustained in the assignment (WNMHGB), Kirk brought the Enterprise in for her refit, and then after, took her out on his first 5 year mission.