USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Hell no. The Kelvin timeline designs are shit.
The DSC enterprise actually looks like the Enterprise.
What did he Kitbash? None of his designs fit that description.
A kitbash would be TNG’s freedom class, or the Constellation.
Hell no. The Kelvin timeline designs are shit.
The DSC enterprise actually looks like the Enterprise.
What did he Kitbash? None of his designs fit that description.
A kitbash would be TNG’s freedom class, or the Constellation.
He can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think he’s referring to how all Eaves’s ship designs/aesthetics look the same no matter what race, time period, or organization they belong to. Example: the ENT Romulan ship that clearly has nacelles straight off of the Jem’Hadar fighter from 200 years in the future.
First of all: John Eaves is a great designer! And he is responsible for so, so many REALLY good Star Trek designs!
The only real problem is that, by this point, he has designed SO many starships, his style really becomes noticeable, and he also repeats a lot of little details. Which is fine, that happens to ALL arts. TNG had IMO the best writing of all the Star Trek shows. But by season 7, the writers simply had already written so damn many episodes, that their styles of storytelling and their flaws really became apparent.
I think it would be better if John Eaves didn't have to design a whole fleet of ships every week, but if they let him do one or two noticeable designs every season. I have yet to find an alien starship design of his that I didn't like! And I think his USS Emmet Till (for the DS9 documentary) is one of the best and most unique ship design in YEARS.
And yeah, I think it's always good to introduce new creative blood as well! The Kelvin timeline ships were amazing. But then, the horrible DIS klingon designs also were made by "new" people.
John Eave's work is really amazing. They just need to employ him for a few, awesome designs. Not for assembly-line mass production of ship designs.
The only real problem is that, by this point, he has designed SO many starships, his style really becomes noticeable, and he also repeats a lot of little details. Which is fine, that happens to ALL arts. TNG had IMO the best writing of all the Star Trek shows. But by season 7, the writers simply had already written so damn many episodes, that their styles of storytelling and their flaws really became apparent.
I think it would be better if John Eaves didn't have to design a whole fleet of ships every week, but if they let him do one or two noticeable designs every season. I have yet to find an alien starship design of his that I didn't like! And I think his USS Emmet Till (for the DS9 documentary) is one of the best and most unique ship design in YEARS.
And yeah, I think it's always good to introduce new creative blood as well! The Kelvin timeline ships were amazing. But then, the horrible DIS klingon designs also were made by "new" people.
John Eave's work is really amazing. They just need to employ him for a few, awesome designs. Not for assembly-line mass production of ship designs.
I'll say this much about the Kelvin Timeline ships post-2233: they actually look a lot more like TOS-era starships with cylindrical nacelles and smoother lines and proportions. The warp nacelles may be on steroids but at least they look like 23rd century warp nacelles.
That sums it up nicely, thanks. I hadn't bothered to respond because, as much as I like Monty Python's "Argument Clinic" skit, being part of it is a bore.
One of the saving graces of the DSC Enterprise is that it doesn't look as bad as a lot of the other starship designs in the series. We should just be glad the nacelles still look more or less like the original TOS Enterprise's nacelles and that the producers didn't turn them into rectangles with razor-sharp points dangling off the backs.
Other then the Connie, I don’t think any of his DSC designs share anything in common with his Berman Era designs.
They’re unique compared to his previous works.
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Eaves is a great designer, and there is a plethora out there, but like writing, you get stuck in a rut, you put yourself in to a box. New designers, writers are needed, sometimes they work out like Rick, or Alex.. or they suck vacuum like Sean Hargreaves or whoever designed the Klingon disco ships.. Doesn't mean they arent good concept artists, just that star trek isn't there thing.
For Disco, Mr Eaves was put in to a smaller box by Fuller with the directive of flat ships with rectangle nacelles.. only so many variations one can do when you can only use 2 shapes.
For Disco, Mr Eaves was put in to a smaller box by Fuller with the directive of flat ships with rectangle nacelles.. only so many variations one can do when you can only use 2 shapes.
The Cardenas class ship looks like it would fit right at home post-Nemesis. Flip the saucer around and it looks like the Enterprise-E’s saucer.
1. He’s no ‘greater’ than any other ship designer Star Trek has had.
2. The producers only ask for ships. It’s Eaves’s job to design them. Rarely do TPTB care what the ships look like. That’s what they pay Eaves for.
i mean, i don't think you're that far off given the budget and preproduction time of the kelvin films.
i think it also comes down to the fact that eaves is a star trek veteran and the kelvin timeline films' production designs were primarily driven by artists who'd never worked in the trek world before.
i prefer the freshness and ambition that brought to the kelvin timeline enterprise over the bastardized discovery enterprise, but it's obviously a matter of taste. see:
Terrific response. Made me think, too.
DSC/TOS ship designs:
- Circular or circle-based saucers
- Lots of straight lines and edges
- Hemispherical bussard collectors/nacelle caps
- No visible lifeboats
- Mostly horizontal windows
- TMP style phaser emitter bubbles
- Oval and oblong saucer shapes, no circles
- Lots of complex curves
- Bussard collectors in pretty much any shape besides hemispheres
- Lots of visible lifeboats
- Mostly vertical windows
- Multidirectional phaser strips
No it doesn't.
Duck season.
There is no resemblance to the Sovereign saucer, put them side by side, it isn't there at all.
No, you’re supposed to say “rabbit season.”
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