USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Groppler Zorn]

I fail to see how one mistake "whittles down" Spock. The most confusing aspect is that some how, in some way, if someone else does it first it takes away from another's story, even though Spock is unique in that he is actively trying to embrace the Vulcan way. He is constantly being challenged, and mocked, and continues forward to success, to the point that his father has to admit that he was wrong.

Spock has been wrong about several other things - he was wrong not to send ensign Ricky to a window in TWoK - he served on the Enterprise when it had a bridge window, why didn’t he think to do that? He was also wrong about Kirk in TUC regarding the Klingons. He was *massively* wrong about Pardek on Romulus. Spock is fallible, yes. But when it comes to his command abilities he was always revered as a great officer. Even in TWoK he figures out Khan’s 2 dimensional thinking in the nebula. If only Spock had remembered that when the ship had a window on the front of the bridge it made seeing stuff much easier that through all that static. Must have been his age...

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Only the ones the Romulans used.

In Balance of Terror, the Romulan cloak was visually perfect, no flickers, completely invisable (except to motion sensors).

In DSC, at least on the "BoPs", the cloak wasn't perfect, you see it them flickering.

In ENT the suliban cloaks were perfect until Archer got the future beacons. Enterprise is the problem DSC compounds here.

 

[Tuskin38]

Klingon cloaks also produced visual distortions in the TOS movies, it is pointed out in Search for Spock.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Klingon cloaks produce visual distortions, Kirk points it out in Undiscovered Country.

*TSFS actually. But the point about Klingon cloaks isn’t relevant in light of Enterprise. Starfleet knew all about cloaks that didn’t flicker. Even the romulans in ENT had cloaks that didn’t flicker. Enterprise renders Spock’s line in BoT incorrect.

 

[Tuskin38]

*TSFS actually.

already corrected myself.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

already corrected myself.

Beat me to it

 

[BillJ]

In ENT the suliban cloaks were perfect until Archer got the future beacons. Enterprise is the problem DSC compounds here.

Which isn't a problem as I treat Enterprise as a separate timeline.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Which isn't a problem as I treat Enterprise as a separate timeline.

I don’t blame you

How do you account for things like the Borg signal sent to the delta quadrant alerting the cube that would eventually be sent to J25 to the presence of Earth?

Enterprise gives me a headache sometimes haha!

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

I don’t blame you

How do you account for things like the Borg signal sent to the delta quadrant alerting the cube that would eventually be sent to J25 to the presence of Earth?

Enterprise gives me a headache sometimes haha!

The "Enterprise Writer's Bible" was a remarkably short set of instructions...

Interestingly, the "Star Trek Fanboi's Bible" reads identically.

 

[Tuskin38]

I have no problem reconciling ENT with the rest of the franchise, as it does that itself.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The "Enterprise Writer's Bible" was a remarkably short set of instructions...

Interestingly, the "Star Trek Fanboi's Bible" reads identically.

Love that GIF.

 

[Ronald Held]

Temporal cold wAr made timeline changes we see in DSC?

 

[Belz...]

Which is a nice answer if you don’t think an explanation is warranted... or you can’t explain it (although I’ll admit lack of a better explanation doesn’t make mine correct - I think a Vulcan once taught me that...!)

And while I agree Star Trek is a little wobbly with consistency, something as fundamental as the viewscreen has been in every iteration of Star Trek until DSC. It was even a plot point in TWoK.

And for everyone saying continuity isn’t affected etc etc. - it actually is because Spock’s character is done a disservice by him not recommending they look out a window like they did back in the old days.

As stated earlier though, and while we're over-thinking it, the ships would be too far away from one another for one to spot it through a window. Windows are stylish, however, and I suppose you could do all sorts of nice things with them using Treknology. For one, you _could_ visually identify things in emergencies, if they were close enough, polarise the screen to avoid glare, etc., all while keeping things stylish for the admirals, etc.

Spock was supposed to be this exceptional character who prided himself on having the correct information, now we find out that he was in a war with cloaking devices yet still called them theoretical.

To be perfectly honest I've been saying for years that all that time travel throughout Trek's history has messed up the timeline way before Nero happened.

If you think Trek time travel is not predetermined, there's a lot of major inconsistencies you can iron out.

 

[Mudd]

Temporal cold wAr made timeline changes we see in DSC?

 

[Tuskin38]

Temporal cold wAr made timeline changes we see in DSC?

No.

 

[Belz...]

Why not? They played around with time so much, why would Nero's time travel be the only one with any impact?

I'd think Cochrane seeing the 1701-E might have an effect on early starship designs, for instance. Like the NX-01.

 

[Tuskin38]

Because it wasn't the writers intent.

 

[DaveyNY]

Because it wasn't the writers intent.

... YET.


I hope folks realize that the recent iterations of DISCOVERY's Enterprise seem to indicate that there ISN'T a window on the bridge.

What we think we saw in the last episode, is really all just flashy lights, weird camera angles and 'not-so-great' Special-Fx combined to make it appear that there is one.

What we're seeing here is a combination of the lights that shine on the registry and the forward facing light slit (of three) just below the dome.

Check out Trekyards recent video for reference.

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At the 8:10 mark you'll see a perfect shot which shows it.

 

[Tuskin38]

the shape around the light does match the dark patch on the bridge dome

I do think there was a window in the Season Finale.
Which could mean a few things:
they changed their minds
the darker area is hiding the window
or Eaglemoss and the Adversaries devs were not given models with the window

 

[DaveyNY]

the shape around the light does match the dark patch on the bridge dome

There are actual windows above the light sources on both side of the dome.
It very much looks like an iteration of TMP Enterprise Dome Lights that actually light up its registry area.

It seems, rather than copy that completely, They just added a secondary light source farther down the primary hull.