USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Longinus]

This "genderbending Kirk" thing is Longinus' attempt to back those of us who recognize - rightfully - that redesigns and visual aesthetic changes don't change anything about the Canon of Star Trek into a corner by equating a very slight change in the design of the Constitution-Class Enterprise with a massive change such as making Kirk a woman when the latter would fundamentally alter the Canon simply because you cannot write a female character the same way you would write a male character.

Connie change is more like recasting Pine as Kirk. Now, what happened to the Klingons and their ships, that's more in the female Kirk territory (except without the benefit of even being somewhat socially progressive.)

And, yes, you absolutely can write female characters same way you write male characters. Get than gender essentialist bullshit out of here.

(And it was Mirror Mirror who brought this up. And this argument continues because some people cannot accept that the difference between reboot and reimagining is pretty much based on subjective assessments.)

 

[XCV330]

Not going to dive into registry numbers. Maybe the Enterprise will take some damage in DSC shows and will revert back to the T&T model or the IAMD Defiant look?

I don't think the 60's look is coming back. Seeing Enterprise on screen was a pretty definitive visual statement.

 

[Longinus]

You can, but its unbelivable and flat.

 

[Gepard]

"Turnabout Intruder" would be pretty hard to justify with a female Kirk, too. Unless you Rule 63'ed Lester too, but then his motivation for body swapping would have to be different.

 

[Longinus]

The writers were able to get away - on the whole - with having Kirk and Riker behave the way that they did because the characters were male.

If the writers had tried to make the characters female and written them a being openly flirtatious and promiscuous in the same way that the male versions of those characters were, the backlash would have been severe, both in the '60s and '80s as well as now.

That has nothing to do with the events themselves. (Though it would have been pretty progressive.) It is same like saying people in the 60's or 80's could not have designed the Klingons like the DIS folks did.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Maybe the Enterprise will take some damage in DSC shows and will revert back to the T&T model or the IAMD Defiant look?

We are seeing the TOS connie.

No woman could act way Kirk acts? Really? Were you also opposing Sulu being gay?

Sigh, more goalpost moving and refusal to address the changes pointed out. You have nothing and its a wate of time to try and reason with you over your flawed detail.

 

[DigificWriter]

That has nothing to do with the events themselves.

It absolutely does, especially with the Kirk example. A good chunk of Kirk's victories were predicated on him resolving things in masculine fashion. If you changed his gender, you would be changing the way events played out and therefore changing said events.

 

[Longinus]

It absolutely does, especially with the Kirk example. A good chunk of Kirk's victories were predicated on him resolving things in masculine fashion. If you changed his gender, you would be changing the way events played out and therefore changing said events.

Pray tell, what does 'masculine fashion' mean and why no woman can behave in such a fashion?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Then I don't know how to help you.

Longinus needs a team

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

 

[ITDUDE]

We're missing the most important thing. Where is the toilet?

 

[DigificWriter]

Pray tell, what does 'masculine fashion' mean

"Punch first and ask questions later".

 

[Longinus]

"Punch first and ask questions later".

And a woman cannot do this why?

(Not that I'd characterise Kirk that way to begin with.)

 

[PixelMagic]

And a woman cannot do this why?

(Not that I'd characterise Kirk that way to begin with.)

Because women always carefully and logically consider their course of action instead of making impulse decisions.

 

[DigificWriter]

And a woman cannot do this why?

They can; most don't, though, because their brains are not "wired" that way.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That has nothing to do with the events themselves. (Though it would have been pretty progressive.) It is same like saying people in the 60's or 80's could not have designed the Klingons like the DIS folks did.

Again, what about David? If we're genderswapping, Kirk's pregnant with David during the five-year mission. And that makes a big difference.

 

[Butters]

Is It me, or has this thread gone off topic?

 

[ITDUDE]

Is It me, or has this thread gone off topic?

So, basically TrekBBS.
Any thread over 100 pages long is like going to Far Lands in Minecraft. You could do it, bit results are unpredictable

 

[DigificWriter]

Ripley was not written the way she was because the writers "wrote her like a man"; she was written the way she was because of the role she was intended to fill, which was that of "military hard-ass".

 

[ozzfloyd]

Military hard ass? Civilian space trucker...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And host of...

(puts on sunglasses)

..Ripley's Believe It Or Not.

YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!