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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

I always figured that was the warp reactor, or at least part of it that we could see glowing and in operation.
 
Well Doug Drexler's plans (which according to M-A appeared in 'IAMD') had that as engineering. Those tubes in the back cross each other and go up the nacelles.

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But that's technically a retcon.
 
I always assumed that was the warp reactor.
Nope - These were the Warp Reactors:
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I base that on the fact that the episode that had this shot (TOS - "Elann Of Troyius") the above is the sabotaged Dilithium Crystal Assembly that the Elasian spy (working for the Klingons) sabotaged to blow up if the Enterprise used her Warp Drive.
 
Nope, but even before Paramount canonized the location it was generally agreed upon that the original TOS engine room was somewhere down in the stardrive section close to the warp nacelles. You still have the occasional viewer who thinks the engine room is in the saucer section but those are definitely in the very tiny and insignificant minority of opinion.
Yes, but a change to the number of decks wouldn't impact that unless the engine room was consistently on a specific deck.
 
There are cutaways of the TOS Enterprise showing just where the engine room is and how the visible glowing reactor elements behind the mesh screen connect to the vertical warp core that runs just underneath the main engineering deck.
 
Nope. It isn't an alternate reality.

You just need to accept that things need to change for 21st century audiences. The show isn't only for you.

1) If you change the past of a setting, it is different from changing the future. The future from whatever series it may be has excuses because things change. When you change the past, by its very definition not changing, that is revisionism. Its the central conceit that it is a reboot, a reimagining, and not the same thing. If you want different, do the 25th century. A prequel runs up into what is established already, and serves to further explore but not alter an unexplored period. To make the conceit that it is a reboot is to make the conceit that it is not within a comprehensive universe with what proceeded it.

2) The Enterprise is not an archaic design, and I do dislike the fan opinion on this where older means outdated or obsolete or silly. The original Enterprise is the key perfect Star Trek design, of which every other ship really serves as simply an adaptation which cannot be the Enterprise, but really wish they could just be that design. It is one of those perfect spaceships in fiction. So there was no need to alter it. Altering it is just needlessly distorting it for the sake of being different.

Again, if the show were the future from everything else, go nuts. If the show were an admitted reimagining, go nuts. But it gets irksome for something to be an orange and to be told its an apple.
 
Yep. You can make out the mid-23rd century warp core just under the reactor assembly and the mesh screen in the engine room.
 
Well, neither are ship sizes. Any of them. From any show. Yet people still find them interesting to talk about!...
This actually isn't true. I mean, it might be if you're referring to any of the ship sizes stated in any of the non-canon books or what-have-you, but... there have been scenes that would allow one to compare the size of a known human to the overall ship, and scenes that show different ships sizes in relation to one another, and one could calculate from there and arrive at a *canonical* answer to the sizes of the ships.
 
Not at all. They changed it because it didn't fit.

They're the ones who made it not fit. This is the original design's glory days, and a Star Trek show made the granddaddy not fit in its own house. Which says a lot.

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This was a perfect moment to show that what they were saying was accurate and honest. That it all, somehow, would find a way to line up and fit in. That this was leading into the TOS era and all made sense. And in a showcase moment, that blew up.
 
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Jeez. The Connies are an OK design, but perfect?

The original Enterprise was a perfect design. Ships did not look like that before in science fiction. They were all UFOs or basically V-2 rockets. This was the first ship to look like something different. The design aesthetic of that ship is great from any angle. It has a mental reasoning to where everything is. It is functional. Yet it is also sleek, and the oft quoted thing is it almost looks like a sailing ship. Matt Jeffries combined elements from previous science fiction (the flying sauces and rockets) with elements from what was coming out of NASA in the 1960s, to create a ship that had functionality and scientific rationale, but also style.

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The original Enterprise was a perfect design. Ships did not look like that before in science fiction. They were all UFOs or basically V-2 rockets. This was the first ship to look like something different. The design aesthetic of that ship is great from any angle. It has a mental reasoning to where everything is. It is functional. Yet it is also sleek, and the oft quoted thing is it almost looks like a sailing ship. Matt Jeffries combined elements from previous science fiction (the flying sauces and rockets) with elements from what was coming out of NASA in the 1960s, to create a ship that had functionality and scientific rationale, but also style.

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to be fair, the TOS Connie also looked fragile as fuck. the long, thin neck for example always looked like an accident waiting to happen
 
If the simpleness of the Connie was so damn great, why didn't they keep it for later ships?
Because GR didn't like the military look.

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I could totally have lived with that one for the reboot movies. Man, something that simple would have reduced a TON of hate.
I love Abrams Enterprise and I would have been ok with this.
Well Doug Drexler's plans (which according to M-A appeared in 'IAMD') had that as engineering. Those tubes in the back cross each other and go up the nacelles.

EViapY3.png


But that's technically a retcon.
What am I looking at here?
 
If the simpleness of the Connie was so damn great, why didn't they keep it for later ships?

I see it as in the same vein as the Discovery One from "2001: A Space Odyssey". Ignore the studio lighting and all the enhanced reality around it. It looks like something that could pass through the solar system lit white by the natural light of a naked sun exposed to space. I like other designs from the series. But the original Enterprise looks like something someone could and would make that you could realistically imagine existing.
 
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