USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Normally I hate terms like "visual reboot" - I always equated the term 'reboot' with a break in continuity, i.e. a "shit or get off the pot" scenario - but in this case, I actually find it fascinating.

To know that continuity has NOT been broken, and that each and every minute of every TOS episode ever made will still happen, exactly as we originally saw it - just with this new visual style - is, in a word, FUCKING COOL.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Which is exactly why the term "visual reboot" isn't the correct term to use and the term "visual reimagining" is.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

everything I outlined about what constitutes a reboot and what does not is 100% factual

 

[Ronald Held]

To be fair, what STD did to the Enterprise didn't constitute any real modernization of the aesthetic. They applied a few shape refinements laid down by the original designer forty years ago, then textured and lit and rendered it badly.

I will agree with the poor textures and rendering.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Which is exactly why the term "visual reboot" isn't the correct term to use and the term "visual reimagining" is.

I'm cool with that.

And I also like a little thought experiment of imagining everything in DSC happening exactly the way we just saw, but with the TOS style. I mean, we know that had to happen too, amirite?

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

2254 Enterprise - The Cage Refit

2256 Enterprise - DSC Refit

2266 Enterprise - Kirk Refit

2270 Enterprise - TMP Refit

I'm slowly adding a few bits and pieces, but someone else might want to give it a go, since I'm not a particularly good artist, and just using paint to modify those standard side-on views that are kicking around the internet from Bernd's site.

USS Midway
Regarding vessels with a long lifespan, whose later refits looked only vaguely like the original version and more like newer classes, we can refer to the Midway class of the US Navy as a real-life example. The aircraft carrier USS Midway CV-41 (ex-CVA-41, ex-CVB-41) was commissioned in 1945 and went through a number of refits until she was retired in 1992. Among other modifications, the layout of the flight deck was radically changed and its area increased from the original to the final appearance of the ship. The later flight decks and many other parts of the ship arguably looked much more like those of the Forrestal CV-59 and the following supercarriers than like those of the Essex class, the vessels serving in WWII from which the Midway class was derived. The gradual refit of the Midway is not exactly the same that happened with the Starship Enterprise, but the final result is pretty much equivalent. Maybe the Enterprise just had overall longer overhaul cycles, and all the recent achievements were slated to be incorporated at once when the ship was literally taken apart around 2269.

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[Tuskin38]

^ Which is exactly why the term "visual reboot" isn't the correct term to use and the term "visual reimagining" is.

Who made you the grammar police?

 

[Tuskin38]

2256 Enterprise - DSC Refit

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Looking at the shots from Discovery, the top the saucer seems to curve the same way as the TOS/Cage version, it isn't that steep.

 

[Ovation]

Who made you the grammar police?

[pendantic poster prone to correcting writing errors] Actually, you mean the “lexicographic police”. [/pendantic poster prone to correcting writing errors]

 

[Ronald Held]

To accept visual reboot, now we have three "versions": TOS, TOS-R, and TOS-D? or should we assume right before WNMHGB, the Enterprise will visually revert to what has been?

 

[Tomalak]

What if the original Enterprise is like Trigger's Broom?

It's modular, so maybe they just kept swapping out saucers, necks, nacelles etc.

 

[Tuskin38]

should we assume right before WNMHGB, the Enterprise will visually revert to what has been?

Nah

 

[Mudd]

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So, this is the creation of a guy who runs "Madman's Shipyards," a 3d printing and CG design site. I don't know if he's the same as "Madkoifish," but his design vocabulary overlaps a little with that artist's. It looks like these were put together in the last twenty-four hours.

 

[Jesse1066]

So, this is the creation of a guy who runs "Madman's Shipyards," a 3d printing and CG design site. I don't know if he's the same as "Madkoifish," but his design vocabulary overlaps a little with that artist's. It looks like these were put together in the last twenty-four hours.

MadMan1701A and MadKoiFish are separate people, but they do sound similar.

 

[Q2UnME]

So, this is the creation of a guy who runs "Madman's Shipyards," a 3d printing and CG design site. I don't know if he's the same as "Madkoifish," but his design vocabulary overlaps a little with that artist's. It looks like these were put together in the last twenty-four hours.

Dennis:
MadMan's Shipyards is run by one of our own here on the TrekBBS. It's our MadMan1701A. He's going to be making them available for purchase in the near future. Madkoifish is someone else entirely...

Q2UnME

edit: ninja'd

 

[Mudd]

Dennis:
MadMan's Shipyards is run by one of our own here on the TrekBBS. It's our MadMan1701A. He's going to be making them available for purchase in the near future. Madkoifish is someone else entirely...

Q2UnME

edit: ninja'd

Thanks for clearing that up. The Enterprise mesh is really good work, and quickly done.

MadMan1701A and MadKoiFish are separate people, but they do sound similar.

Part of what confused me a bit is that the sensor dish on the Enterprise mesh is quite like the dish on Madkoifish's "reimagined Enterprise" design and unlike the one used on STD. I thought maybe he'd stuck it on as a placeholder.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Which is exactly why the term "visual reboot" isn't the correct term to use and the term "visual reimagining" is.

Has there ever been a less important distinction between terms?

2256 Enterprise - DSC Refit

Needs a vertical split in the nacelle struts, and a vertical section at the forward bottom of the neck like on the TMP refit. Not sure about that conical mound on the dorsal saucer either.

 

[CorporalClegg]

You are incorrect.

If one doesn't try to expand its definition, the term "reboot" in a fictional context means that said fiction has had everything - all the stories, designs, and continuity - previously associated with it thrown out and replaced with new stories, designs, and continuity that may share similarities with what existed before but are also clearly different from it.

If you are taking an existing fictional property that has gone dormant and resuming it by adhering to its already-established narrative history - either in whole or in part - you are not "rebooting" it, even if you insist on using that term to describe what you've done. Period.

Nope.

The OED does not recognize your definition of fictional reboot. Sorry.

 

[Jesse1066]

Part of what confused me a bit is that the sensor dish on the Enterprise mesh is quite like the dish on Madkoifish's "reimagined Enterprise" design and unlike the one used on STD. I thought maybe he'd stuck it on as a placeholder.

I hadn't really noticed it, but I see it now.

 

[Tuskin38]

You can just barely make out the Registry on the saucer

And the secondary hull pennant is 3D?