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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

Needs a vertical split in the nacelle struts, and a vertical section at the forward bottom of the neck like on the TMP refit.

Also, the struts don't connect that far back on the nacelles. The image has them past the middle toward the aft, while the actual ship from the episode has them connect more toward the front.

I don't think the struts are as inclined as in the TMP design, either. They're thinner and straighter. It's closer to the TOS design than TMP.
 
Also, the struts don't connect that far back on the nacelles. The image has them past the middle toward the aft, while the actual ship from the episode has them connect more toward the front.

I don't think the struts are as inclined as in the TMP design, either. They're thinner and straighter. It's closer to the TOS design than TMP.
I wasn't saying the whole thing was like the TMP refit, just that little vertical notch on the bottom front part of the neck.
 
And the secondary hull pennant is 3D?
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Why not throw a few more dollars at something that doesn't matter? :lol:
 
Also all James Bonds are Timothy Dalton, drive a V8 Vantage Volante and wear a Tag Heur, even if they are Daniel Craig wearing an Omega and driving a DB10. If they do any of those latter things it is a canon violation.
I know you're going for humorous effect here, but it's a strange choice of analogy to do it with. The Bond films have never even pretended to have anything resembling consistent continuity. That ship sailed way back in the '60s.

Visual aesthetics are not Canon.
You say that as if it's carved in stone somewhere. In reality, it seems like a fairly new (and still contentious) concept devised to justify the wishes of producers who wanted to change pre-existing visual aesthetics. I'm pretty sure I never saw any such notion discussed (much less proclaimed!) in Trek fandom prior to the launch of DSC.

When we're talking about a fictional reality whose primary home is on screen (indeed, in terms of strict canonicity, its only home), it frankly stands to reason that what we see is meant to be an important and consistent part of that reality. Divorcing the look of things from the story content requires some serious mental contortions.

...the reason visual aesthetics aren't Canon is because there's never been a single unified visual aesthetic in the entire history of the Trek franchise.
Except, of course, there has. Every time we've ever seen the TOS-era Enterprise NCC-1701, inside or out, it's had a consistent visual aesthetic. Every time we've seen the NCC-1701-A, or -B, or -C, or -D appear, they've all had a consistent visual aesthetic. (Technically the 1701-E has changed a bit from one appearance to the next, but that ship is such a dog's breakfast of extraneous design details that it's hard to tell anyway.) Every time we've seen the 2260s-era uniforms, they've been the same... and likewise for uniforms from other eras. And so on. Trek has, in fact, put a lot of effort over the years into maintaining a consistent visual aesthetic for every period of its extended fictional future history. Until DSC came along.

If one doesn't try to expand its definition, the term "reboot" in a fictional context means that said fiction has had everything - all the stories, designs, and continuity - previously associated with it thrown out and replaced with new stories, designs, and continuity that may share similarities with what existed before but are also clearly different from it.

If you are taking an existing fictional property that has gone dormant and resuming it by adhering to its already-established narrative history - either in whole or in part - you are not "rebooting" it, even if you insist on using that term to describe what you've done. Period.
Oh my gosh. We actually agree on something. This is worth acknowledging!

There is a meaningful distinction between the terms "reboot," "retcon," "reimagining," and "relaunch," as applied to fiction. They're not all mutually exclusive, but neither are they interchangeable. Doctor Who from 2005 forward, for instance, was a relaunch and to some extent a reimagining, but it was definitely not a reboot.
 
You say that as if it's carved in stone somewhere. In reality, it seems like a fairly new (and still contentious) concept devised to justify the wishes of producers who wanted to change pre-existing visual aesthetics. I'm pretty sure I never saw any such notion discussed (much less proclaimed!) in Trek fandom prior to the launch of DSC.

That's not true at all. As I remarked in another thread, aesthetics changed routinely between films. The 1701-A bridge from TVH bears more resemblance to the TMP bridge than the TUC bridge. Likewise, phasers blasts in TWOK don't look like those in TSFS, TFF, or TUC. Photon torpedoes change from movie to movie.

Every time we've seen the NCC-1701-A, or -B, or -C, or -D appear, they've all had a consistent visual aesthetic.

See above concerning the 1701-A. The 1701-B and -C appeared only once, and have the same aesthetic because of unoriginality. The D bridge physically changed between All Good Things and Generations.

Every time we've seen the 2260s-era uniforms, they've been the same...

As long as you ignore Where No Man Has Gone Before.

and likewise for uniforms from other eras.

As long as you ignore TMP. Oh, and those Engineering radiation suits vanished somewhere between TWOK and TUC as well.

And so on. Trek has, in fact, put a lot of effort over the years into maintaining a consistent visual aesthetic for every period of its extended fictional future history. Until DSC came along.

I don't think so.
 
The refit TMP and TWOK bridges are different.

Well, no. They are the same basic design. TWoK slid the science station over, reupholstered the chairs and used lower wattage light bulbs. Not drastic changes considering there is fourteen years in-universe between the two films.

The 1701-A bridges are different in all three movies (TVH, TFF, TUC).

Once again, we see the bridge over the course of eight years. In TFF and TUC, the difference is some lighting, some digital clocks added and red turbolift doors. TVH bridge has been explained away as bridges being modular and easily changed out.

So while they had their differences, the only change in design aesthetic was between TVH and TFF. So it was actually fifteen years between any real change (2271 to 2286).
 
Phasers blasts in TWOK don't look like those in TSFS.

The USS Enterprise never fired her phasers in any of the Admiral/Captain Kirk movies aside from TWOK. There was no other phaser effect outside that film until TNG onwards, which is another century.
The only other ship based beam weapons we get are Klingon, and those more or less stay like that even in TNG.

Now if you are talking hand phasers, that's a different thing entirely.
 
Well, no. They are the same basic design. TWoK slid the science station over, reupholstered the chairs and used lower wattage light bulbs. Not drastic changes considering there is fourteen years in-universe between the two films.

Don't forget they glued plastic cassette cases all over the set. ;)
 
Once again, we see the bridge over the course of eight years. In TFF and TUC, the difference is some lighting, some digital clocks added and red turbolift doors. TVH bridge has been explained away as bridges being modular and easily changed out.
The TUC bridge is a different configuration - the turbolift doors are much wider apart as Spock and Uhura's stations are now inside them, along the back wall.
 
Well, no. They are the same basic design. TWoK slid the science station over, reupholstered the chairs and used lower wattage light bulbs. Not drastic changes considering there is fourteen years in-universe between the two films.



Once again, we see the bridge over the course of eight years. In TFF and TUC, the difference is some lighting, some digital clocks added and red turbolift doors. TVH bridge has been explained away as bridges being modular and easily changed out.

So while they had their differences, the only change in design aesthetic was between TVH and TFF. So it was actually fifteen years between any real change (2271 to 2286).

The differences between TFF and TUC bridges are much more stark than what you're letting on. They went from TNG style touch panels back to the TWOK style physical keys, the corridors changed from the wide 107-D style to the narrow TWOK/TMP style.

Yes it has mostly to do with the reusing of sets and components..but the only constant between TFF and TUC is the exterior of the Enterprise, and even then there were changes.
 
The TUC bridge is a different configuration - the turbolift doors are much wider apart as Spock and Uhura's stations are now inside them, along the back wall.

You are right. Though I think Spock's actual station is still in the same spot (just past the turbolift to the right of the command chair) as TFF.
 
Yes it has mostly to do with the reusing of sets and components..but the only constant between TFF and TUC is the exterior of the Enterprise, and even then there were changes.

It is the same structure, chairs and consoles.
 
Details... pfft. I've found they mean little in this particular forum.
That kind of detail has NEVER meant much to me. Probably because I read so many comics where the same characters, often in the same multipart story, had (sometimes drastically) different looks from one issue to the next.
 
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