USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[cooleddie74]

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I hope you're right. In-universe modification of the ship over 100 years would make perfect sense and be sort of cool from the point of view of getting a peek into the minds of Imperial Terran ship and weapons designers. A lazy visual reboot for the sake of a visual reboot would be lame and idiotic, but all we can do is wait and see.

At least it's not even remotely as jarring as that piece of video game garbage the producers called a "D7."

 

[Philip Guyott]

It shouldn't be a redesign.

I am in two minds about this. I think it will be fun to see a more up to date re-imagining of the constitution. But part of me can't help but wonder how Star Wars fans would react if they redesigned and updated the Millennium Falcon for modern audiences. I was happy with the fact that TNG, DS9 and ENT all respected 'visual canon' as far as the TOS era was concerned.

 

[Awesome Possum]

At least it does not look like a D7

I can't help but wonder why Terran Empire ships are not more technologically advanced then their prime universe counterparts as seen in DISCO and TOS. If they had access to the Defiant (an advanced ship from the future) since the ENT era, then should they not be more technologically advanced, or am I missing something?

They’re too busy backstabbing each other to research it.

 

[Blamo]

I wouldn't be surprised if they'll use this to test the waters for a future reimagining of the constitution class. Keep what people like and chuck what they don't.

 

[Tuskin38]

Spoiler

The image is from the Mirror Universe. Taken from intelligence found on a ship of Rebels against the Terran Empire. It has nothing to do with how currently a Constitution Class ship looks in the main universe. I doubt rebels would have a 100 year old image of what the Defiant first looked like when it arrived either.

The display says USS Defiant, not ISS Defiant.
If this is 100 Years of refit whey didn't the empire rename it?

It shouldn't be a redesign. Just do what ENT did to the Defiant to give the ship more surface detail and dynamic movements in flight and in combat.

Enterprise didn't do enough. The design is fine, but the hull was too simple. The Refit looks better.

 

[Timo]

Hmm.

Spoiler

We don't really know what the Empire is doing with the ship here. Flying it? Studying it? Watching old videos of it blowing up in internecine fighting around 2187 or so?

But our heroes are watching stuff they stole from the Rebel wreckage. They're not watching a wireframe from Starfleet records, because we know what those look like - we've seen plenty, on the monitors of the two hero ships so far. The Rebels have little data on the Defiant, which may be what the clumsy wireframe is supposed to convey. And the audience knows even less, because our heroes only discuss the few relevant bits, not the whole content of that Vulcan crystal.

That said, I'm pretty sure we are going to see the Defiant next week. What possible reason would there be for this not happening? (Even if she's dust now, we'll learn of that fact, and since seeing is believing, our heroes probably will get visuals of some sort.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ithekro]

"USS Defiant" I suppose is the ship's name and the Empire decided to leave it like that as it was unique. There could be an ISS Defiant, but the USS Defiant would be the Imperial Seat's personal super ship for about a century. Only around the time of USS Discovery would USS Defiant be considered on the same tech level (roughly).

 

[Tuskin38]

"USS Defiant" I suppose is the ship's name and the Empire decided to leave it like that as it was unique. There could be an ISS Defiant, but the USS Defiant would be the Imperial Seat's personal super ship for about a century. Only around the time of USS Discovery would USS Defiant be considered on the same tech level (roughly).

That doesn’t make any sense, the USS part.

Unless the Empire never commissioned it and it’s just been sitting around as a research project

 

[Ithekro]

I would assume it was never commissioned into the Imperial fleet, put was taken as the personal ship of the Terran Emperor (firstly Empress Sato). She an advanced war yacht.

 

[mattyhugh]

I am in two minds about this. I think it will be fun to see a more up to date re-imagining of the constitution. But part of me can't help but wonder how Star Wars fans would react if they redesigned and updated the Millennium Falcon for modern audiences. I was happy with the fact that TNG, DS9 and ENT all respected 'visual canon' as far as the TOS era was concerned.

Spoiler

Heh, according to the LEGO leaks and MakingStarWars.net reports, the Falcon is changing for Solo.

 

[XCV330]

There was zero reason and need to upgrade it. The Discovery is just like 10 to 14 years newer. Up into recently they had no need to upgrade it. No, I think we are seeing a redesign and some folks do not want to accept this. We have known it was coming since day 1.

I don't care if they do a visual re-do on Connies or not. If it looks like that, I actually like it much better than the Abrams Enterprise.

 

[Amasov]

I would assume it was never commissioned into the Imperial fleet, put was taken as the personal ship of the Terran Emperor (firstly Empress Sato). She an advanced war yacht.

I liked to think also that because of the Defiant, the empire was able to eventually build ships just like her. That's how we eventually got the Enterprise by the time Kirk and crew visited.

 

[Amasov]

Spoiler

some people just can’t wrap their head around Visual reboots. But I admit that is a possibility. But the war just started a few months ago, seems awfully fast for a refit

I don't blame those who can't, though. The Constitution class of the original series has been the established look since the beginning and has been acknowledged throughout nearly all of the series in some form, be it us actually SEEING it or on a computer diagram. I'm not a fan of changing it just to look "cooler" or to be more in-line with Discovery's visual aesthetic.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The image is from the Mirror Universe. Taken from intelligence found on a ship of Rebels against the Terran Empire. It has nothing to do with how currently a Constitution Class ship looks in the main universe. I doubt rebels would have a 100 year old image of what the Defiant first looked like when it arrived either.

If that were the case, ISS Enterprise would have looked that way in "Mirror, Mirror". There's no reason why they would have upgraded the original Defiant to a new configuration and then built new starships, more than a century later, to the original configuration. The theory for the LACK of updating for ISS Enterprise was that the Empire simply didn't invest in technology enough to stay ahead of the curve and just copied the Defiant design for all of its ships; if they are able to update the Defiant, though, this theory is no longer valid.

 

[pst]

I was happy with the fact that TNG, DS9 and ENT all respected 'visual canon' as far as the TOS era was concerned.

TOS constitution class proper also shows up in a deleted scene from star trek into darkness. even the reboot didn’t want to touch it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

We have our first look at the updated Constitution Class:

I'm not a fan. I do not like those bent pylons. The rest of it is pretty traditional.

Dear everyone who insisted they wouldn't change it: I told you so.

Spoiler: plot details, ship origin

I'm surprised it's as faithful to the original design as it is. It's supposed to be the USS Defiant as seen in TOS: "The Tholian Web" and transferred back in time and across universes in ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly" (wow, who ever thought they'd follow up on that??) so I guess they could say it's been refitted in it's 100 years in the mirror universe. But the proportions look wrong. the neck is shorter and the shapes are different.

 

[F. King Daniel]

But part of me can't help but wonder how Star Wars fans would react if they redesigned and updated the Millennium Falcon for modern audiences.

They've changed it for Han Solo: A Star Wars Story. New paint job, and the gap in front is filled in.

Technically-minded Star Wars fans are up in arms, because these changes seem to break the Falcon's original (albeit non-canon) intent as a fright pusher.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I could buy this being a new ship built (mostly) off the original TOS Defiant, like they did with the mirror Defiant on DS9.

It could even belong to the rebellion and not the Terran Empire, ala the other Defiant.

 

[fireproof78]

Dear everyone who insisted they wouldn't change it: I told you so.

Spoiler: plot details, ship origin

I'm surprised it's as faithful to the original design as it is. It's supposed to be the USS Defiant as seen in TOS: "The Tholian Web" and transferred back in time and across universes in ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly" (wow, who ever thought they'd follow up on that??) so I guess they could say it's been refitted in it's 100 years in the mirror universe. But the proportions look wrong. the neck is shorter and the shapes are different.

How long did the Terran Empire have with it?

 

[PixelMagic]

Considering this is the first Connie we've seen in DIS, I'm going to assume that the Defiant looks that way due to 100 years of modification and repair. And I'm sticking with that until we see a non Mirror Universe Connie. And to reiterate, It's my personal guess. I'm not saying my guess is correct or will be correct.

You are correct.