USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Albinator]

For TNG, it was more they needed a ship for those encounters and the Excelsior and Klingon models were available for no real extra expense. The Stargazer was probably the first unneeded, but welcome form of new ship...they were going to just use a redress of the movie Enterprise-A for that ship.

Those are all behind-the-scenes concerns. If a similar scene occurred in the first season, with a crew transfer at a starbase, and an NX-class ship slowly orbiting the station, would it really elicit the same kind of groans as C3PO & R2D2 in Rogue One (the ultimate in fan wank)?

But let's also step back a second and realize Trek has made a business out of what we now call "fan wank." It was the first true "universe" of shows, and so little references, both visual and verbal, to connect various stories have been happening since at least the premiere of TNG.

The real question is, do you think they would do it, and do you think it's reasonably plausible for NX-class ships to still be in service?

 

[fireproof78]

*Plenty of fan-wank in Trek, but the reason I cite this as the "ultimate" is that it was both completely unnecessary, and it took audiences out of the film during what otherwise should have been a tense moment-- and for more than just a split second.

It's always interesting for what takes people out of a film. Because, that wasn't my reaction to them in it, so its a different experience for me.

The real question is, do you think they would do it, and do you think it's reasonably plausible for NX-class ships to still be in service?

I don't and seeing an NX class in DSC would take me out, not because of the self-referential piece but because seeing it still in service would strain suspension of disbelief.

 

[Rahul]

I don't and seeing an NX class in DSC would take me out, not because of the self-referential piece but because seeing it still in service would strain suspension of disbelief.

Like the Excelsior-class still being in service during TNG?
(TBH I had no problem with that, but DID have a problem with the Miranda showing up so frequently on DS9. Mainly because the Excelsior was the "new" ship in the TOS movies). But frankly, this is probably different for each and every viewer. I wouldn't mind a NX-class ship showing up. As long as it's treated as a very old vessel. Like a training vessel for the accadem, or in flashbacks or stuff like that.

But I guess the NX will mainly show up in terms of models standing in the backgrounds of meeting rooms and starfleet command.

 

[fireproof78]

Like the Excelsior-class still being in service during TNG?
(TBH I had no problem with that, but DID have a problem with the Miranda showing up so frequently on DS9. Mainly because the Excelsior was the "new" ship in the TOS movies). But frankly, this is probably different for each and every viewer. I wouldn't mind a NX-class ship showing up. As long as it's treated as a very old vessel. Like a training vessel for the accadem, or in flashbacks or stuff like that.

But I guess the NX will mainly show up in terms of models standing in the backgrounds of meeting rooms and starfleet command.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the NX series would be 200 years old by the time of DSC versus the Excelsior being 100 years old by the time of TNG.

 

[Rahul]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the NX series would be 200 years old by the time of DSC versus the Excelsior being 100 years old by the time of TNG.

The time difference between ENT and TOS/DIS and between TOS and TNG are all around roughly 100 years:

ENT: ~2150
TOS: ~2250
(DIS: ~10 years before that)
TNG: ~2360
(starting dates)

That means DIS is much closer to ENT in time than TNG was to TOS. It's 200 years between ENT and TNG.

If we expect one ship (the Excelsior) having more than 80 years of service (the TOS movies were later than the series), I'd accept an NX 90 years later as a "historic" vessel or an old training ship, especially if we pretend they started to build new NX-ships for decades. The B-52 bomber is still in service, more than 70 years after WWII. Even though much has changed on the interiour technology-wise, the plane itself looks pretty much identical.

 

[Krandor]

I agree. When I saw the episode, I thought it was something they went waaaaaaaaay to far over the edge with. Worf's throwaway reference in "Trials and Tribble-ations" was enough. It was funny, it addressed it, and it moved on.

I think augmentation virus was star treks's "miticlorin moment". Sometimes you can explain too much.

 

[fireproof78]

The time difference between ENT and TOS/DIS and between TOS and TNG are all around roughly 100 years:

ENT: ~2150
TOS: ~2250
(DIS: ~10 years before that)
TNG: ~2360
(starting dates)

That means DIS is much closer to ENT in time than TNG was to TOS. It's 200 years between ENT and TNG.

If we expect one ship (the Excelsior) havint more than 80 years of service (the TOS movies were later than the series), I'd accept an NX 90 years later as a "historic" vessel or an old training ship, especially if we pretend they started to build new NX-ships 50 years later. The B-52 bomber is still in service, more than 70 years after WWII. Even though much has changed on the interiour technology-wise, the plane itself looks pretty much identical.

Thank you. I had a feeling my dates were off. So, since my original assumption of 200 years is off, then the NX-01 wouldn't bother me as much now, since, as you pointed out, the Excelsior and Miranda classes are used in TNG.

 

[Rahul]

Thank you. I had a feeling my dates were off. So, since my original assumption of 200 years is off, then the NX-01 wouldn't bother me as much now, since, as you pointed out, the Excelsior and Miranda classes are used in TNG.

I still wouldn't be much of a fan of seeing an NX-ship in active duty (as I was annoyed by the Miranda-classes in DS9), but I do hope a model or something hangs in the background of the meeting room or something.

I think augmentation virus was star treks's "miticlorin moment". Sometimes you can explain too much.

I was never really bothered by it. Contrary to the midichlorians, the new explanation didn't actually change anything, it just cleared up stuff. The episode itself was also actually quite enjoyable. The explanation itself wasn't exactly needed or super creative, just fanwank. But who can blaim them, they thought Star Trek would end for good for a while, and they gave one final explanation for a little thing that had always bugged fans, and cleared up things for good.

Of couse Discovery now has opened this whole can of worms again, but whatever...

 

[fireproof78]

Of couse Discovery now has opened this whole can of worms again, but whatever...

Which is why we are discussing it in another thread?

 

[BillJ]

Faran Tahir!

Best winner of the 'Captain-most-likely-to-punch-you-in-the-face'-award since Benjamin Sisko! (and before that Kirk)

Captain Robau, the Boba Fett of the Star Trek universe!

 

[fireproof78]

Captain Robau, the Boba Fett of the Star Trek universe!

At least Robau did something.

 

[Rahul]

Captain Robau, the Boba Fett of the Star Trek universe!

That's actually a pretty apt description! "The one badass dude, that steals the scene and... immediatele dies!. But hey. He looked cool."
...and suddenly millions of fans keep swarming for him.

 

[fireproof78]

Unlike Boba Fett, I would like to know more about Robau.

He also had more lines

 

[Ithekro]

One difference between the inclusion of an Excelsior and the NX class is what was happening with them the last time they were seen prior to the start of the new series. The Excelsior was brand new in Star Trek III and IV. The Great Experiment. The next step up from Admiral Kirk's ship. By Picard's time it is the older starship that is still holding on, and while there are larger ships, the Excelsior-class can still keep pace with a Galaxy-class most of the time.

The last time we see the NX-class Enterprise, she's being retired because she's obsolete. The new warp 7 starships are coming out and warp 5 is too slow. So it would be less logical to see a stock NX-class floating around in Discovery. The "fan-wank" idea isn't the NX-class floating around. Its the NX-refit (Drexler's refit with the secondary hull) that has never appeared on screen in the canon. While it would seem odd, I would at least like to see that on screen on day. It too would be completely outclassed by whatever warp 7 starship was introduced following the founding of the Federation, but it might be more useful due to the extra space in the primary hull. But it is unlikely, and they'd be running missions like the cargo hauling Miranda-class ships.

 

[Tuskin38]

the novels (yes I know, non-canon I just wanted to give a non-fan example) IIRC only one NX-Class actually got a refit, and all future ones were built to that specification from the start.

Their max speed is 6.3

 

[Noname Given]

The time difference between ENT and TOS/DIS and between TOS and TNG are all around roughly 100 years:

ENT: ~2150
TOS: ~2250
(DIS: ~10 years before that)
TNG: ~2360
(starting dates)

That means DIS is much closer to ENT in time than TNG was to TOS. It's 200 years between ENT and TNG.

If we expect one ship (the Excelsior) having more than 80 years of service (the TOS movies were later than the series), I'd accept an NX 90 years later as a "historic" vessel or an old training ship, especially if we pretend they started to build new NX-ships for decades. The B-52 bomber is still in service, more than 70 years after WWII. Even though much has changed on the interiour technology-wise, the plane itself looks pretty much identical.

Incorrect with regard to TOS in a major way:

ENT: 2151-2155 (Finale These Are The Voyages ~2161)
"The Cage" (unsold TOS Pilot): 2253
TOS (TV) : 2266-2269 (Note: possible that Where No Man Has Gone Before occurred in 2265)
(DIS: ~10 years before that, circa ~2256)
TNG (TV): 2364 - 2371
---
Edited to correct my misnaming of the ENT finale.

 

[Longinus]

Its the NX-refit (Drexler's refit with the secondary hull) that has never appeared on screen in the canon. While it would seem odd, I would at least like to see that on screen on day.

I wouldn't. It is hideous. I really have hard time grasping that the person who designed the NX-class could mutilate their own beautiful design so horribly. It is like some of the worst Franz Joseph abominations.

 

[Tuskin38]

ENT: 2151-2155 (Finale All Good Things ~2161)

These are the Voyages. AGT is TNG.

 

[Noname Given]

These are the Voyages. AGT is TNG.

Ack - you're correct - I liked ENT so I have an aversion to even correctly naming TATV - I refer to it as "This Ain't the Valentine". [but post corrected, thanks]

 

[Ithekro]

I wouldn't. It is hideous. I really have hard time grasping that the person who designed the NX-class could mutilate their own beautiful design so horribly. It is like some of the worst Franz Joseph abominations.

From what I understand, it was originally designed with the idea of having something on the bottom of the ship, which is why it seems slightly unbalanced in its original form. Like it was drawn while covering where the secondary hull should be on purpose.