USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by EJD1984, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. Timo

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    For me? Because I am a Canon Nazi first and foremost, preferring the Star Trek universe over the fan interpretations of it. And on screen, Kirk triumphed despite his starship (which frequently let him down), not thanks to her.

    Nobody in TOS praises these ships or this ship, least of all the heroes themselves. TNG era heroes do even less praising if possible. "Constitution class. How uninteresting. Kirk? I think I heard that name somewhere." In the fifty years in question, we follow the adventures of a run-of-the-mill ship full of heroes (but not superheroes), then a selection of bonus adventures that make some of the heroes actually famous, and then quite a few decades of the rest of Starfleet doing good work that does not touch upon the old gang or their ship, and creates its own set of famous heroes.

    It thus may feel odd that the newest adventures should treat the original team and ship differently, assigning them more fame. But these new adventures center on the characters and/or the era, the perfect excuse in-universe for the extra attention...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    There's a TV tropes page about this kind of thing, I just can't remember the name:lol:
     
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  3. DaveyNY

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    Then stop making statements like they are some kind of proven fact.
     
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  4. Dukhat

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    Or you can just ignore me if you don’t like my opinions. Either way, I’m done with this silly banter.
     
  5. Rahul

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    Because that's the easiest way to show "how awesome MY stuff is!". By knocking other things down.

    "MY superhero can knock out superman on one punch!", "MY supervillain killed the Joker first encounter, and ripped his heart out, because he's so much more badass!", "MY starship can blow YOUR starship right out of the sky, and is a thousand times faster!!"

    You see that in fandoms ALL the time. And sadly even regularly with professionals, literally half the time when inexperienced directors make a sequel to a popular movie, they will kill/destroy previously established charactersh and places, to show how big THEIR mark on the franchise is and how much more important THEIR creations are.
     
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    Yeah, well, that's what happens when you have long-standing series. It's the same with the Falcon in Star Wars, etc.
     
  7. Dukhat

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    True. And it's not restricted to just movies. The music industry does the same thing with modern singers singing older songs. And as with music and movies, the newer sequels/reboots/updates/whatever are almost invariably never as popular or fondly remembered as the original it was based off of. Every once in awhile you'll get something that surpasses the original (i.e. nuBSG), but mostly that's the exception, not the norm (i.e. The Phantom Menace, Prometheus, Tron Legacy, Blade Runner 2049, the millions of Knight Rider sequels/remakes/reboots, etc., etc., etc.)

    I like DSC and want it to succeed. But I doubt that it will be remembered as much or as fondly as TOS or TNG.
     
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    Nor would I expect it too. Any fan setting that up with that expectation is just setting up for failure.

    I expect DSC to be entertaining not to remember it fondly.
     
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    It also means that, per the visuals in "The Naked Now", Enterprise had swept back nacelle pylons ca.2266.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    This sword cuts both ways though. In a franchise as long as Star Trek the newer product is stacked against older productions with more staying power and fondness to the memory of fans. It's a challenge of constant comparsion that amounts to "You'll never be good as your older sibling."

    Not that I agree with it, since I personally think each production can be regarded on its own, but I totally understand where they are coming from. If you're going to get shellacked, might as well do it your way.
     
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    Well, they fixed that in the TNG Remastered episode. ;)

    But yeah, they screwed up in 1987 when they created that library computer graphic. Even for 1980s continuity that was pretty damn lazy and I'm glad they finally got around to fixing it.
     
  12. Phoenix219

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    Maybe the original intention was that it "always looked like that" IE movie aesthetics, including Klingons.
     
  13. Timo

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    "Continuity"? I call that nothing short of verisimilitude. If I wanted to find out about the heroics of a century-old warship today, I'd go to Wikipedia, where I would find the description of the nautical adventure from 1917, along with a picture of the ship from 1926 or 1939. Compared with the time of the adventure, I could more or less count on the ship in the picture having a different number of smokestacks and masts, probably being of different length and certainly being of different displacement, crew complement and performance specs, carrying completely different secondary and tertiary armament, wearing different pennant paint and likely sailing under a different flag, too...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    I'm going to throw this out there and see what some of you think. We see the NX-01 refit once, right? Well, we never really knew its ultimate fate.

    I'm going to say that Pike's ship is the ultimate refit of the NX-01, was lost somehow, and he re-assigned to the new Connie-class.

    In the same way the NX was a special high value ship, with the Daedalus mass produced--the same goes for Pike's flagship--with the Conni as the follow on to the Dae'

    Now, I think the next carrier with the name Enterprise will be of the Ford class, but CVAN-65 hasn't been broken up yet that I know of--so there can be a time period with two Enterprises in existance.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CVN-65)

    No, we didn't see the NX on the TNG wall, but maybe it was UESPA still...

    Perhaps all that was left of the Disco-prise was used as the spine of the connie.

    In early 2017, it was announced that steel from CVN-65 will be recycled and used to construct CVN-80.

    Imagine the surprise of Klingons if they happen to face two Enterprises expecting only one...
     
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  15. Timo

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    Hmm. No, we never see any "NX-01 refit". The final episode, "These Are the Voyages", would be the one place to see it - but curiously, there are zero exterior shots of the vessel in that episode!

    Save for a shot in the closing cavalcade of starships named Enterprise, that is. And while we see the original configuration of NX-01 there, we have no idea what timepoint this is supposed to represent. Might be it comes from 2151 rather than 2160, say.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    I doubt that was the case, since there were desktop models of the TOS Enterprise and the Galileo shuttle as set dressing in TNG. And such things as going back to the divisional colors for uniforms and red bussard collectors on the nacelles harked straight back to TOS.
     
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    Which makes sense, given that story takes place on the Enterprise-D.
     
  18. Phoenix219

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    I have seen some pretty cool designs for an NX refit that adds a secondary hull. Concept art.
     
  19. cooleddie74

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    Doug Drexler. He's a genius.
     
  20. Tuskin38

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    It's fairly popular among some of the fan-base as well. It's in Star Trek Online, and eaglemoss also made a model of it.