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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

TOS was implicitly consistent with its writers’ bible in that nobody every tried to introduce something like the Federation-class dreadnought FJ would propose after the fact, not to mention that Kirk’s “only twelve like it in the fleet” would’ve been somewhat deflated if it was just a count with no implied precedence.
No one needs to listen to that anymore, especially after 50 years.

I'm sure someone can find contradictions of it with in TOS itself.
 
No one needs to listen to that anymore, especially after 50 years.

I'm sure someone can find contradictions of it with in TOS itself.

They do need to listen, and in fact DSC writers bend over backwards researching the backstory so they can then (painfully) work around it. You won’t find something like the Excelsior in TOS.
 
No they don't, they have no reason to.

Why would you imply that DSC doesn’t follow story canon?

A fan familiar with lore can see in minutes that it has been researched before being retrofitted or bent, sometimes out of shape or past the breaking point, but the legacy framework is always there.
 
Where did I imply that?

The TOS Writers guide isn't canon, they don't need to follow it.

They don’t, but they do need to follow the show that followed that guide, which can easily be used as supplementary information, a way of putting new writers into that TOS mindset being riffed on by DSC.
 
They don’t, but they do need to follow the show that followed that guide, which can easily be used as supplementary information, a way of putting new writers into that TOS mindset being riffed on by DSC.
They are following TOS, and TOS didn't always follow the guide. So they're just as consistent.

Anyways Season 3 of Discovery
is set in the 32nd Century, so they don't need to worry about being as consistent to the 23rd century anymore
 
They are following TOS, and TOS didn't always follow the guide.

Anyways Season 3 of Discovery
is set in the 32nd Century, so they don't need to worry about being as consistent to the 23rd century anymore

But there is no evidence in TOS of starships Kirk should be in awe of. If someone has found a different part of the writers’ guide that needs an update (and it was revised several times), fine, but let’s not speculate in advance that this part was dismissed. Certainly there was no physical model comparable to the Enterprise and any mention of a dreadnought or similar would’ve been memorable to starship fans.
 
But there is no evidence in TOS of starships Kirk should be in awe of. If someone has found a different part of the writers’ guide that needs an update (and it was revised several times), fine, but let’s not speculate in advance that this part was dismissed. Certainly there was no physical model comparable to the Enterprise and any mention of a dreadnought or similar would’ve been memorable to starship fans.
I think you're taking the writers bible too seriously. It was a set of guidelines, not rules.
 
I think you're taking the writers bible too seriously. It was a set of guidelines, not rules.

Guidelines that were being updated all the time and there is no evidence in TOS that the one about the Enterprise was dismissed. You’re starting from mere belief that the Constitution class wasn’t the poster child and thinking of ways to justify it, whereas in fact you need to look for evidence of ships like the Excelsior, and you won’t find it in TOS.
 
A better version of that pic.
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Full version here.
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The Grey Lady

Not the Grey Ghost--that was the TOS Ent project--and a car from Dukes of Hazzard
 
A few months ago, I started thinking that the Constitutions were around for longer than we thought. Enterprise 1701 being part of the then-latest and greatest production block...
 
Well, we do know that there's no canonical launch date for the start of the Constitution class but a lot of non-canon materials over the years have placed the commissioning and launch of the U.S.S. Constitution at or around 2244-45 and that Richard Daystrom didn't invent duotronic computer systems until 2243 as per onscreen dialogue in "The Ultimate Computer(TOS)." That technology is described as being the onboard computers used aboard the Enterprise so we can probably conjecture that the Constitution class was first commissioned into active service just before the Enterprise's launch, circa 2244.
 
Guidelines that were being updated all the time and there is no evidence in TOS that the one about the Enterprise was dismissed. You’re starting from mere belief that the Constitution class wasn’t the poster child and thinking of ways to justify it, whereas in fact you need to look for evidence of ships like the Excelsior, and you won’t find it in TOS.

Sorry, but I have to agree with @Tuskin38. Not only did the producers of DSC not read the TOS writer's bible (they probably didn't even know it existed), the only reason why Burnham and Tilly are in awe of the Constitution class (and the Enterprise specifically) is because of 50 years of IRL Star Trek series and movies since TOS that have glorified Kirk, Spock, and the Enterprise. Such glorification did not exist in TOS.
 
is because of 50 years of IRL Star Trek series and movies since TOS that have glorified Kirk, Spock, and the Enterprise. Such glorification did not exist in TOS.

The show said it was a special class of ship. Only twelve like it, he commands not a spaceship but a starship and so on...
 
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