Yeah, the Crossfield doesn't strike me as advanced.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I don't see how.
Yes, you made that clear in your previous post.
The shiny interior of the Discovery has so far impressed two groups of people explicitly: the convicts in "Context" and Pike's trio in "Brother". Both times, the exterior failed to impress yet.
The difference to the DSC Enterprise interiors is in the amount of blinkies and screens in the corridors, basically. But it would be a bit futile to deny these character witness statements that NCC-1031 indeed is something to write home about - while simultaneously we should acknowledge that a NCC-1031 crew member nevertheless considers the Constitutions more impressive overall. Modernity isn't everything, in-universe.
Timo Saloniemi
The difference to the DSC Enterprise interiors is in the amount of blinkies and screens in the corridors, basically. But it would be a bit futile to deny these character witness statements that NCC-1031 indeed is something to write home about - while simultaneously we should acknowledge that a NCC-1031 crew member nevertheless considers the Constitutions more impressive overall. Modernity isn't everything, in-universe.
Timo Saloniemi
I would say that the Crossfield Class is probably comparable to the Constitution Class as to when they first came into service, but it's pretty obvious that it was meant to be a class specifically designed to be adapted and upgraded on a regular basis as a test-bed for any new starship tech that comes along.
That in no way makes it better than or comparable to the qualities of a starship meant to take on long missions away from a Starbase and/or Star Fleet Command such as the Constitutions.
It's also pretty obvious to me from the episodes, that MU-Lorca was pushing the capabilities of the Discovery and her crew waaaay beyond what the ship was meant to be used for.
Which also shows that it can't compare or compete with the Enterprise.
The Discovery's only advantage is the Spore Drive, as such, the Enterprise outclasses the Discovery in every other way, shape and/or form.
That in no way makes it better than or comparable to the qualities of a starship meant to take on long missions away from a Starbase and/or Star Fleet Command such as the Constitutions.
It's also pretty obvious to me from the episodes, that MU-Lorca was pushing the capabilities of the Discovery and her crew waaaay beyond what the ship was meant to be used for.
Which also shows that it can't compare or compete with the Enterprise.
The Discovery's only advantage is the Spore Drive, as such, the Enterprise outclasses the Discovery in every other way, shape and/or form.
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I think the Crossfied class is a workhorse design with a slant towards science and technology trials.
Its not frontline nor is its crew.
I like the design but someone has to do the boring stuff, Starfleet is mostly made up of workhorse designs.
As has often been discussed, the Discovery fails to impress with her speed. Where Kirk's and indeed Pike's ship effortlessly did warp seven, Pike only thinks the ship he confiscated should be pushed to warp five in a hurry.
Likewise, the phasers seem wimpy, "double hot" counting for little. But the shields do fine against the S31 fleet in comparison with those of the Enterprise.
I wouldn't call this rare design a workhorse by any means - more like a damsel-in-distress design akin to Oberth, only bigger. But the fleet has uses for those, too.
Timo Saloniemi
Likewise, the phasers seem wimpy, "double hot" counting for little. But the shields do fine against the S31 fleet in comparison with those of the Enterprise.
I wouldn't call this rare design a workhorse by any means - more like a damsel-in-distress design akin to Oberth, only bigger. But the fleet has uses for those, too.
Timo Saloniemi
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Oh no I would place it above the Oberth due to its size an improved capabilities.
I would expect the Oberth to be quick and easy to build/maintain/upgrade which is why it was in service for so long, its mission capability was limited to light scouting or surveying after the bigger ships like the Enterprise had moved on.
I have no doubt there would be a pecking order in regard to the ships you are on, irrespective of the rank of the commanding officer (unless an Admiral), mind you I doubt an Admiral would be seen dead on an Oberth class.
I would expect the Oberth to be quick and easy to build/maintain/upgrade which is why it was in service for so long, its mission capability was limited to light scouting or surveying after the bigger ships like the Enterprise had moved on.
I have no doubt there would be a pecking order in regard to the ships you are on, irrespective of the rank of the commanding officer (unless an Admiral), mind you I doubt an Admiral would be seen dead on an Oberth class.
Discovery takes out several in the episode where the Klingons were attacking a Federation Dilithium mine.
i meant then bigger ships
Mainly by catching the Klingons off guard and having the element of surprise for the first few minutes.
Lorca did the same thing when the Discovery went up against Kol in the Sarcophagus.
(Into The Forrest I Go)
There's was no way the Discovery could have stood toe-to-toe with that ship, whereas the Enterprise would have probably given Kol much more than a very bloody nose in 1-on-1 ship combat.
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Doesn’t change the fact it is a science vessel.
In my mind, the visual cues of the USS Discovery make it appear to be more advanced: the swept-back long nacelles, and pylons delta, it’s flat, low-profile, and it’s spinning saucer section - all suggest advancement in starship design.
‘Sleek’ and ‘long’, with a low profile, suggests speed (no matter what the actual in-universe capabilities are shown to be, IMO). Another much later example of this aesthetic at play would be exhibited in the Enterprise 1701-E, though despite its size is still fairly sleek a design, with length in the nacelles and proportionally a low profile in itself, with no neck.
The Discovery’s spinning saucer also suggest a tech which no other starfleet vessels have exhibited onscreen, making it fairly unique / rare / advanced as a spaceframe.
‘Sleek’ and ‘long’, with a low profile, suggests speed (no matter what the actual in-universe capabilities are shown to be, IMO). Another much later example of this aesthetic at play would be exhibited in the Enterprise 1701-E, though despite its size is still fairly sleek a design, with length in the nacelles and proportionally a low profile in itself, with no neck.
The Discovery’s spinning saucer also suggest a tech which no other starfleet vessels have exhibited onscreen, making it fairly unique / rare / advanced as a spaceframe.
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Please do so.
I've always been a believer of "earlier registry number = older ship". So going with that idea, the 2 Crossfield class ships we've seen have been modified to test the spore drive and the spinning saucer (excess energy cavitation system) would be another mod connected to that system.
That's really a lot of modifications if you think about it. The original saucer could have been more like the POTT concept Enterprise art.
Removing the saucer undercut (which I suppose started with the Excelsior and has continued consistently IRL since then) makes designing the interior a lot simpler, but it does make the ship less attractive as an object.
TOS was implicitly consistent with its writers’ bible in that nobody every tried to introduce something like the Federation-class dreadnought FJ would propose after the fact, not to mention that Kirk’s “only twelve like it in the fleet” would’ve been somewhat deflated if it was just a count with no implied precedence.
I don’t see any evidence of DSC saying otherwise. Discovery was a science vessel with certain top-secret technology, but not the Starfleet poster child, not the vessel you send to make a statement, to say that this is Starfleet in 2257. Shenzhou was explicitly old and the rest of the fleet probably filled out a variety of supporting roles, or maybe some of those classes were top-of-the-line in the past.
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