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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

Welcome to 2018 Star Trek, where NOTHING is set is stone. Visuals? Rebooted. Storyline and lore? Retconned to the point where it's indistinguishable from a reboot. Producers on Twitter? "IT'S PRIME!"
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It's not mutually-exclusive, unless you also believe that every continuity issue in TOS and TNG constitutes a new timeline.
 
It seems that the question ultimately becomes:

Do we want the writers of DSC to be creative and come up with actual reasons for changes - which some may view as a double edged sword (personally I love the augment virus storyline), but it would mean that they at least attempted to acknowledge the visual changes to the Enterprise and convince us that DSC is “prime”.

Or do we just shrug and say “ah forget the changes - it doesn’t matter” so the writers of the show are let off the hook and they can then change whatever they want? For instance, it would have made far more sense for the Enterprise A to be an excelsior class ship. What if one of the new spinoffs was set aboard the Enterprise A but she was an excelsior class ship instead? It’s only a visual change to a different looking, much larger ship.

You may guess that I would prefer the former option - but I suspect many here would prefer the latter.

I tend to think the latter is a cop out - but I’m open to having my mind changed.
 
Or that it is a reboot. :techman:
Which I’m fine with - but until tptb relent and say “actually yeh it is a reboot” they keep insisting it’s prime. So I’m holding them to their word. If the writers are clever enough to explain the changes great. I think they’re being lazy otherwise.

I’d actually prefer them to say it’s a reboot so that I could reconcile what my brain and eyes are telling me about the show when I watch it.
 
In the nicest way, that doesn’t explain anything.

Sorry.

It does. It explains it is a reboot. That is why they have to tell us it is "Prime" every chance they get. For marketing and not to piss off people who make lots of noise about names and dates being reset.

Futurama said:
Bender: Fry, stop interfering with history! I don't wanna have to memorize a lot of new kings when I get back.
 
Alternatively, they just changed the number in the script and that's a retcon.
Yeah. Whilst I don't like the extensive changes they've made In Discovery, this is the sort of totally insignificant throwaway detail that I don't mind being ignores. This is 'James R Kirk' or 'lithium crystals' level stuff.
 
It does. It explains it is a reboot. That is why they have to tell us it is "Prime" every chance they get. For marketing and not to piss off people who make lots of noise about names and dates being reset.
So we’re not talking a reboot like the joker has been rebooted then?

Since he has multiple origin stories?

It’s a reboot where everyone’s character arc is the same (even Sarek, Spock, and Pike), the events of the universe are the same - i.e. Enterprise happened and the federation was formed, and the Xindi attack occurred, and the Third World War and the eugenics wars and all that - but the visuals have been rebooted.

I can see the logic to that but only if we assume that design of visual elements do not constitute historical facts in-universe. Like the design of the Apollo rocket is a historical fact. We’re bascially assuming that the design of the previously established era is not to be treated as factual because it is a fictional era. Ok I also see the logic in that.

Yet, it’s “prime” so as to not upset “die hard fans”, yet people who criticise the changes are told that “it’s not going to look like Star Trek you need to move on - it needs to be acceptable to a wide audience”.

So ultimately it doesn’t matter whether it’s “prime” or not. All that matters is that it says “Star Trek” on it - if it actually mattered whether it was in the TOS universe then it would make sense for it to look like that universe.

But, since it doesn’t matter - because the history of the timeline hasn’t been affected either way because we’re not treating certain things as facts, then why the continued insistence that it’s “prime”?

The Enterprise is bigger and looks different in this universe. That’s cool - I wonder how history unfolded slightly differently in this continuity to make that happen? Will we find out?

No - because it’s the same as TOS.

There’s a chance to come up with a creative and engaging story the writers will never get.
 
It’s a reboot where everyone’s character arc is the same (even Sarek, Spock, and Pike), the events of the universe are the same - i.e. Enterprise happened and the federation was formed, and the Xindi attack occurred, and the Third World War and the eugenics wars and all that - but the visuals have been rebooted.

Is everyone's character arc the same though? Michael Burnham changes both Spock and Sarek, much like Sybok did. Though this time they're trying to cram a character into an area it was never meant to be in.

Journey to Babel said:
AMANDA: My husband has nothing against Starfleet. But Vulcans believe that peace should not depend on force.

It was a simple disagreement that forced a wedge between father and son for many years, much like happens in real life. That isn't the case anymore. I find it funny that the reboot was more faithful to Spock and Sarek's relationship than a show that supposedly takes place in the "Prime" timeline.

Pike is mostly a blank slate, so there is no real character arc to conform to, or contradict.
 
DC Fontana said:
DOROTHY FONTANA: I like a good story— but there are certain basic ground rules established which I don’t think can be easily tossed aside. I really hated it when one of the features (STAR TREK V) came up with a half brother for Spock when I had always insisted he had no other siblings. But I guess it isn’t "canon" if I wrote it. Go figure.

https://trekmovie.com/2007/07/22/dc-fontana-on-tas-canon-and-sybok/
 
Huh so I guess that really was the CBS bottom line, at least 11 years ago.

Always has been. But people keep trotting out author intent as the be all, end all of any discussion about whether this show is "Prime". Well, the author intent (from someone that was there at the beginning of all of this) is that Spock has no siblings.

So I think we are free to interpret things any way we see fit.
 
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