USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[TrickyDickie]

I have always wondered what a version of the Enterprise would look like with 'pylons' that look more like 'wings'....attached along the full length of the nacelles and on a corresponding length of the hull. A hull that is longer and the back end of which ends even with the back end of the nacelles. And a neck that is medium height, but much more substantial and supportive around more of the perimeter of the back half of the saucer. But....I am not an artist.

 

[Tuskin38]

the TMP connie is more aesthetically pleasing then the TOS Connie.

TOS Connie is still my favourite though.

 

[BillJ]

It wasn't for nostalgic purposes, that's for sure, and that was my point.

Of course not... that's why the very first teaser opens with: "Ten years before Kirk and Spock".

 

[Belz...]

No, that's not what I said. I pointed out (not "argued") that the TMP refit has elements of Art Deco design. I definitely didn't argue that this dates it to the 1970s, nor would I have, because Art Deco dates to the 1930s.

Yes but since you said art deco made a bit of a comeback in those years, wouldn't that kind of date the design to then?

Again, you mischaracterize what I've said. I readily acknowledge and accept that some "significant number of people" think the design looks "very '60s." I'm just convinced that they're wrong.

The very fact that so many people find it dated is what makes it dated. "Dated" is nothing more than an opinion. So that you're denying that it's dated despite those opinions being voiced is odd.

 

[Tuskin38]

Of course not... that's why the very first teaser opens with: "Ten years before Kirk and Spock".

Marketing.

Plus casual fans need to know when it takes place.

 

[Belz...]

Of course not... that's why the very first teaser opens with: "Ten years before Kirk and Spock".

I guess that answers my earlier question.

This is just ridiculous. Why are you making one irrelevant point after another? The above has nothing to do with what you replied to.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

I've already explained exactly what I meant. You have no excuse to keep misrepresenting me anymore.

My apologies I’m not trying to misrepresent you at all. I’m sorry that it came across that way. I’m trying to say that, in the nicest way, I don’t think your argument holds water, rather than to misrepresent you.

To explain where I’m coming from, (if you’re still willing to indulge me - if not I throw it open for everyone) think about this. If I wanted to describe an early Queen album as dated (which I could do because they are - and I say that as a massive Queen fan, and their first few albums from 1973-1976 are very “of their time”) I would compare said album with other music of the period. I wouldn’t compare it with a toaster of the period or a car of the period.

The Enterprise is an art form just like a music album. Therefore we should compare said art form with other art forms in that same context.

Thus, in order to cohesively and convincingly argue that the Enterprise is dated I believe that we must compare it with other designs in the same context. That is, other science fiction spacecraft designs of the 1960s. Any other comparison is unfair because it’s not like for like.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Do we have any statistics in regard to how many feel it looks dated and how many don't?

 

[BillJ]

This is just ridiculous. Why are you making one irrelevant point after another? The above has nothing to do with what you replied to.

Discovery was made for nostalgia purposes. Playing on the nostalgia people have for TOS. That's why pretty much every story point and character either tie into TOS or mimic a TOS story point.

Nostalgia for $5.99 a month. That is why they are bringing back Picard. Nostalgia to extend the amount of the year people are subscribing.

 

[Tuskin38]

Discovery was made for nostalgia purposes.

Maybe after Fuller left, but I don't think it was the original intent.

If that were true he would have requested all these design changes.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Do we have any statistics in regard to how many feel it looks dated and how many don't?

A poll could throw petrol on this particular bonfire

 

[Tuskin38]

Just make sure one of the options is 'Don't care' or some other neutral option.

 

[Longinus]

Discovery was made for nostalgia purposes. Playing on the nostalgia people have for TOS. That's why pretty much every story point and character either tie into TOS or mimic a TOS story point.

Nostalgia for $5.99 a month. That is why they are bringing back Picard. Nostalgia to extend the amount of the year people are subscribing.

Indeed. And I don't even mind them milking the nostalgia, I just wish they would do it well.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Time for a bit of comic relief. Weird Al, to the tune of Queen's 'Another One Bites The Dust'.

Queen may be dated, but Weird Al never will be.

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[BillJ]

Maybe after Fuller left, but I don't think it was the original intent.

I think it was always the intent from the perspective of CBS.

 

[Vger23]

Maybe after Fuller left, but I don't think it was the original intent.

If that were true he would have requested all these design changes.

Fuller was/is a buffoon who can't hold a job.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

@Groppler Zorn mentioned it.

It's a great example of how a low-budget design needn't sacrifice one bit of charm! It's quite marvelous, really.

Ah! Sorry, I missed it being mentioned.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Ah! Sorry, I missed it being mentioned.

I do love me a madman/madwoman with a blue box...

 

[Belz...]

To explain where I’m coming from, (if you’re still willing to indulge me - if not I throw it open for everyone) think about this. If I wanted to describe an early Queen album as dated (which I could do because they are - and I say that as a massive Queen fan, and their first few albums from 1973-1976 are very “of their time”) I would compare said album with other music of the period. I wouldn’t compare it with a toaster of the period or a car of the period.

Music is music. Visual design is visual design. I think aircraft, for instance, can be compared to fictional starships.

Discovery was made for nostalgia purposes. Playing on the nostalgia people have for TOS. That's why pretty much every story point and character either tie into TOS or mimic a TOS story point.

And yet everything about it is different from TOS, stylistically as well as everything else, which is why so many here complain about it. You're going to have to support that claim.

I think it was always the intent from the perspective of CBS.

Assuming you're correct, that's a terrible mistake by CBS; as I've argued before there aren't enough Trekkies to keep such a series afloat. You need the wider audience. That's always the case for an old franchise, especially one returning after a long absence.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Music is music. Visual design is visual design. I think aircraft, for instance, can be compared to fictional starships

Fair enough. But if we’re comparing the Enterprise to aircraft designs of the 1960s and using that as evidence for it being dated, why weren’t other sci-fi ship designs in the 1960s similarly influenced? Since they look nothing like the Enterprise? By that logic wouldn’t we expect the Enterprise to have something in common with its contemporaries in the same visual design context?

Edit: within the notion of “music is music” - wouldn’t comparing a fictional starship design to a real aircraft be like comparing Queen to Mozart? ... which you wouldn’t do if you wanted to describe Queen’s music as “dated” and “of the 1970s” - although I’d love to hear that argument