USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Ithekro]

When one plays in the fictional playground that is setup to be turning a timeframe of a legendary icon...you don't just change the icon to suit modern tastes. You use the icon because that's what is suppose to be there. And the old USS Enterprise is a icon. Both in and out of universe. The 11 foot model sits in the National Air and Space Museum and was recently restored. The Space Shuttle that was named after it is on another complex of the same museum. (People are going to talk about superheroes changing all the time...this is true, but their timelines also change with them....and when someone decided to revisit an older timeline, the superhero's old look is used again to provide the reader with the proper setting.)

That the ship looks old and from the 1960s is immaterial. That's what it should be, both from the perspective of setting up the show to be just ten years before Kirk, thus establishing the era on a timeline relative to previous shows. And from the perspective of a starship designs that has been seen up to the early 2000s that has still looked like a saucer with a tapered cylinder attached to it with two more long cylinders attached to that via straight pylons. For 40 years they didn't tamper with the design much for her 2260s appearances. This new series is set in the 2250s, and while Pike's Enterprise is likely similar to the same as Kirk's, the basic shapes will remain mostly the same.

 

[BillJ]

Would something like this be too much of a change?

If they can get away with changes so minimal, why change at all?

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Would something like this be too much of a change?

It would be to many. Some will never be happy with any change man.

 

[Longinus]

Would something like this be too much of a change?

Yes. If I squint and still can see it is different, that's too much. (I'm serious.)

The changes needed are not big stuff like changing the shape of the pylons and stuff like that, they're adding all sorts of little details that the original model lacked (and which would have been pointless to begin with, due the quality of TV sets at the time.)

 

[BillJ]

...they're adding all sorts of little details that the original model lacked (and which would have been pointless to begin with, due the quality of TV sets at the time.)

That's what makes the original look advanced to me. The smoothness and lack of detail gives the vibe that the ship was designed and built by a really advanced civilization.

But, what do I know?

 

[Tuskin38]

(and which would have been pointless to begin with, due the quality of TV sets at the time.)

Isn't there a quote from somewhere that says the other designers wanted to add more, but Jefferies said no? Ot had nothing to to with the TV sets I know that.

 

[Jesse1066]

I would love to see the Enterprise on screen without changes, but I don't really see it happening.

 

[Longinus]

That's what makes the original look advanced to me. The smoothness and lack of detail gives the vibe that the ship was designed and built by a really advanced civilization.

But, what do I know?

Yeah, I get that. I'm thinking about TMP level hull detail here, not filling the surface with greebles.

 

[Ithekro]

Of course if they want to throw things off the rails entirely, they could keep to the Kelvin universe based concept of Kirk taking command of the Enterprise around 2258 rather than around 2265. If Discovery takes place around 2248, than the Constitutions are also brand new and might still be in their testing phases. Before Pike takes command...and before Kirk or Spock enter the academy. In theory, Robert April should be in command if they went that route. That is without changing the timeline so much as to have the Enterprise be new in 2258 as well, though that would get around the chances of seeing one at all in Discovery, if none exist yet.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder if CBS is even allowed to make a TV show based on the Kelvin Timeline.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I wonder if CBS is even allowed to make a TV show based on the Kelvin Timeline.

They would have to get a licences to do so. That was the whole point of the new timeline. Not having to have an agreement with CBS on anything from the TV series.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yet they're the ones giving Novels and Star Trek Online permission to use KT content.

I'm guessing because they're not live action productions?

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Yet they're the ones giving Novels and Star Trek Online permission to use KT content.

I'm guessing because they're not live action productions?

Novels have never been canon and they already have a licence to use it. Each would be its own agreement each com[any would have to reach. Ya see, when pocketbooks or whoever own STO uses KT stuff, Paramount gets money. CBS would have to pay paramount. why do that when they can us anything except KT canon? Heck they could even legally hire the same actors without having to pay paramount as long as they are playing prime versions.

Really its a tangled mess they would likely rather avoid.

 

[Tuskin38]

actually the novels couldn't use Kelvin Timeline, or any KT movie content until this year, it was announced at Vegas.

They couldn't even reference Spock going missing or the supernova that destroys Romulus.

The movies were not included in Pocket Book's licence from CBS.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

actually the novels couldn't use Kelvin Timeline, or any KT movie content until this year, it was announced at Vegas.

They couldn't even reference Spock going missing or the supernova that destroys Romulus.

They must have gotten a licence this year. I am not sure why you would mention them really. They are not the same timeline, Although I do like the Einstein ship, its a neat deign.

 

[Tuskin38]

They must have gotten a licence this year. I am not sure why you would mention them really. They are not the same timeline, Although I do like the Einstein ship, its a neat deign.

They couldn't even mention Prime Timeline facts that were mentioned in the KT movies.

The Supernova that destroyed Romulus was in the Prime Timeline.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

They couldn't even mention Prime Timeline facts that were mentioned in the KT movies.

The Supernova that destroyed Romulus was in the Prime Timeline.

Here is the thing. What makes you think those events,where prime? Trek has endless realities.

 

[Tuskin38]

Here is the thing. What makes you think those events,where prime? Trek has endless realities.

CBS.

Leonard Nimoy was also credited as 'Spock Prime'.

His picture of the Enterprise Bridge Crew in Beyond was a publicity shot from one of the TOS movies.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

They must have gotten a licence this year. I am not sure why you would mention them really. They are not the same timeline, Although I do like the Einstein ship, its a neat deign.

The new agreement was just announced and it was a big deal for us in the Treklit forum haha. The stupid Kelvin embargo was making for interesting conversation lately. The timeline has felt like it slowed to a crawl but now with the news I'm worried it will start going lightning fast again!

@Mirror Mirror the novels follow what the productions and CBS says; they are meant to be an expansion of the televised/movie universe. But yeah, you can also think of the novels as a separate timeline where all the TV and film events happen and keep it separate if you want, but I don't think most people who read the books think of it this way. I don't, for instance.

 

[Tuskin38]

Pretty sure one of the novels writers over in TrekLit said they were not allowed to contradict the Supernova and Spock going missing in the books.