Yeah, the shapes on the back ends of the nacelles.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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So that means John Eaves had them designed as straight.
I don't think "should" enters the picture, but if you want to get down to it, if you want to reimagine the original Enterprise you should make it so that it can be refit easily into the TMP model. So work backwards from the latter and into a more DSC-compliant look.
It looks better with the pylons sweeping back anyway, from any angle.
The saucer section of the Kelvin timeline 1701 is clearly inspired by the TMP Enterprise and the Enterprise-A right down to the windows on the edge of the saucer, which in some cases are identical to those seen on the Enterprises in the first six movies. Toss in the round travel pod or shuttle docking hatches on the hull and it's basically a sexed-up hybrid of the original Enterprise with the movie version with an upsizing in scale.
Since this is a matter of opinion: No, it does not.
The sweeped back pylons work better with the more angular, straight-lined TMP nacelles. By a mile. But the elongated connection area, and the move of the connecting area to the middle of the nacelle clashes HARD with the drop shape of round nacelles. Thus, if you have round, drop-shaped nacelles on your Enterprise, straight and lean pylons work much better - something designer Ryan Church knew very well when designing the JJprise.
It also changes the entire character of the design - the TMP Enterprise looks notably different from the TOS-one, to the point that it's "almost a completely new Enterprise". And that comes mostly down to the shape of the nacelle pylons. Having a weird mish-mash of the two is unjustifiable.
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They worked fine on the NX-Class.
Which, if you look carefully, are neither completely round (but a square/round hybrid, almost like Voyagers) and, most importantly, not drop-shaped, but completely straight from front to rear.
The Discoprise could have had more straightened nacelles as well, but they (rightly) decided for the more traditional cylindrical shape that gets more narrow toward the end. It kinda' works with the TMP-pylons, but not nearly as well as either the TMP-version NOR the TOS one on their own. Again: Those are two very distinctive styles. And the Discoprise, as a weird hybrid between those two styles, just comes acros as... characterless?
YMMV, of course.
It could have been A LOT worse. I'm still overall satisfied with what they did. It just... doesn't compare too favouribly to the original (or the reboot) in direct comparison.
Since this is a matter of opinion: No, it does not.
Well yeah, that's the point. As I said earlier, the TOS Enterprise is the _only_ Federation design that doesn't fit in the timeline. It needs to be updated. I would've done that a bit differently, but they did a fine job of it.
I think you're nitpicking at this point. They are generally round and they fit with the pylons, and they do so on the Discoprise as well.
Abso-fuckin-lutely NOT!
All following Trek starship designs are derived in one way or the other from the TOS Enterprise. As such, it's the ONE ship that has the MOST common design elements with ALL other Trek starships.
Almost every Federation ship has red nacelle caps (the TMP one and the Discovery are the exception), literally EVERY starship has the same saucer - secondary hull - nacelles -configuration (the Defiant is here the exception), most ships have a neck (the Defiant and Voyager are the exception). A majority of ships has a metallic dish - in some cases there are some lights around it, but those that have ONLY a glowing dish are in the majority.
No matter how you slice it: The original Enterprise is ALWAYS the connective tissue between all different variants. It's the one ship the entire design language is based around. EVERY other ship fits less in the timeline, because every other ship is just a variation on some elements of the TOS connie. But they only work together because of her. The TMP Enterprise and the Voyager look almost nothing alike. The only similarities solely come through the elements both ships share with the TOS Enterprise. Only she got them all. It doesn't need to be updated. It IS the source for all updates. And will always be, as long as Star Trek as a franchise exists.
We're debating about curvature, angle and width of nacelle pylons of a fictional starship. OF COURSE that's nitpicking
That has nothing to do with my argument, and also makes no sense whatsoever. What I said is that it doesn't fit in the design lineage anymore. That it was the original design from which the others sprung is completely irrelevant. Look at the TOS ship. Look at it. Considering the ships we've seen in Enterprise and Discovery, TNG and the TOS movies, where exactly does it fit in the timeline? Nowhere, that's where, and it's the ONLY Starfleet design to have this problem. Given this, updating it was the reasonable solution.
Let's separate our _love_ for the original design from rational considerations of how to make the franchise more consistent. And the same argument holds for the interiors and props of TOS. If Enterprise and Discovery had been made in a way that fit with TOS as their successor, the original Enterprise could've been used with minimal alterations. But now, that's no longer an option.
Now, you could say that they should instead adapt the rest of the world to TOS, but that's both unrealistic and impractical, on top of being stupid. It's simpler to change the Constitution class to fit the rest of the franchise better, and the only negative result is a few butthurt purists.
Well, I don't agree but dang it all if you are not passionate about it.
Well, Rahul's wrong. The TMP Enterprise and Voyager might not look much alike, but the Voyager looks quite like other Federation ships of its era, and in turn they have some semblance of design with the preceding era, and so on and so forth, until you get to the Conestoga. Except the TOS Enterprise. It just doesn't fit there anymore. No one's saying it's not crucial to the development of the franchise in our universe. The argument is that, in universe, it needed to be updated because of the way the world of Star Trek developed.
Great news guys and a special thanks to @MadMan1701A for the amazing model. Gonna continue to work on this model but will toss up better comparisons soon of the TMP and DSC beauties. Really feeling the unity from this new design to what is eventually its future refitted self.
IMG_1287 by Jason Soto, on Flickr
IMG_1287 by Jason Soto, on Flickr
This is a fact.
Great news guys and a special thanks to @MadMan1701A for the amazing model. Gonna continue to work on this model but will toss up better comparisons soon of the TMP and DSC beauties. Really feeling the unity from this new design to what is eventually its future refitted self.
Ooh, nice! How accurate is it, I wonder, without the orthos as reference?
It is also irrelevant.
They have collectors. They just don't glow. And most have deflectors, and they look quite a bit like the later ships'.
The Reliant, Constellation, Enterprise and Excelsior share a LOT of elements in common, as do a lot of TNG-era ships amongst themselves. The same can be said of the ENT ships, the DSC ships, and across eras (with the Kelvin and its contemporaries acting as bridges between the ENT and DSC ships, for example). Again, it's the TOS Enterprise that doesn't fit (in-universe). That takes nothing away of its historical importance in the real world, or the love any of us has for it. That has nothing to do with the point I'm making.
The Reliant, Constellation, Enterprise and Excelsior share a LOT of elements in common, as do a lot of TNG-era ships amongst themselves. The same can be said of the ENT ships, the DSC ships, and across eras (with the Kelvin and its contemporaries acting as bridges between the ENT and DSC ships, for example). Again, it's the TOS Enterprise that doesn't fit (in-universe). That takes nothing away of its historical importance in the real world, or the love any of us has for it. That has nothing to do with the point I'm making.
I think ships with a TOS Style would look great. Here's some examples I posted not too long ago.
This TOS Miranda class looks really neat. very majestic.
Not sure the class of this fan ship, but I'm a fan of this USS Polaris.
This TOS Miranda class looks really neat. very majestic.
Not sure the class of this fan ship, but I'm a fan of this USS Polaris.
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