I wonder why they make prequels... it sounds such a hassle with canon.
But lets hope for something more consistent than ENT
But lets hope for something more consistent than ENT
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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That's all well and good if the stylistic updates are actually good. The track-record in this area so far hasn't been so good. I mean, the new Discovery designs built with a mostly blank slate haven't exactly been universally praised. At least with the TOS connie we know it's classic. Old-school, but classic.
So NOT so simple.
ENT overall was VERY consistent with ST canon. It violated a TON of 'fanon' - but that really never bothered me.
(And I didn't care for the Ferengi episode; but sorry you can blame the film ST:FC for the ENT Borg episode.
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That is the thing, the design no longer fits. Its older and more primitive looking than the NX
Thing is, nearly everything we've seen has been the Shenzhou; which looks like it's supposed to be a few steps behind the TOS era - which seems more obvious now we've seen both transporter rooms.
In terms of Trek, we've seen a few 'different' interiors. The really dodgy set for the Sutherland in TNG was one that's intriguing; completely different than any other bridge. Completely horrible. But it was the bridge. There's clearly room for different designs in the same era - and with multiple species and influences across the Federation, most of them will be different if built and designed by different teams.
ENT overall was VERY consistent with ST canon. It violated a TON of 'fanon' - but that really never bothered me.
(And I didn't care for the Ferengi episode; but sorry you can blame the film ST:FC for the ENT Borg episode.
I actually liked the Borg episode
Well, around two thirds of it. Premise was good, linking it into Cochrane was good (especially playing on his drinking); the only major downside was that they'd written themselves into a wall. I'm still no sure why Phlox can cure himself of assimilation/nanoprobes, but years later Crusher and the entire fleet couldn't.....I do not remember this at all! I'll have to refresh my memory(alpha)
I believe it is from "The Conscience of the King".
You're right! Reading the line, I can remember it's delivery. I thought I'd have to hand in my uniform for a second!
ENT overall was VERY consistent with ST canon. It violated a TON of 'fanon' - but that really never bothered me.
(And I didn't care for the Ferengi episode; but sorry you can blame the film ST:FC for the ENT Borg episode.
The issue is , so many think Fancanon is canon. They have latched onto it and its been used in so many books they just think its canon.
I have a feeling that was some kind of auxiliary control center that they were using for the bridge. Most of the ships in Picard's armada weren't complete yet, IIRC.
Or because the budget sucked and they reused sets in a very silly way
I doubt it was a budget issue. They could've just used some tape and a couple extra stations to redress the Enterprise bridge if that was the case.
It was always a budget issue. They reused stuff so damned often. But it was also a really badly thought out design that looked nothing like a Starfleet bridge
You're right. They're not good. They're great!
USS Sutherland had to nearly be dragged out of dock. She was understaffed and it seemed like half her systems weren't finished yet. Going by her commissioning plaque, she had just been launched a few months before the Klingon Civil War started. (roughly 200 stardates before we see her being nearly dragged out of spacedock). The dockyard even says she's not ready, but Picard needs ships for his network. No telling why she was back in spacedock so soon after she was delivered, but something bad happened given the system problems and the ship's lack of a captain. While Lt. Commander Hobson seemed to know the crew rather well, and was command track, he doesn't seem like he was the ship's original first officer. It isn't too hard to conclude that whatever happened did something to the ship's bridge, probably killed or wounded the ship's command crew and forced them to use whatever this place was because the ship was not ready for service yet. It could be something simpler. The trail runs hadn't gone as planned and they needed to swap out the bridge module. It wasn't fully installed yet, so they had to make due with this room for this mission.
As for the USS Enterprise in the 2250s, The studio will do what they like, but the audience is going to expect it to look like the original ship. Mainly because she is iconic. I mean the original model is in the National Air and Space Museum. Not the cultural museums, or the entertainment museums....the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. She means something to the Americans at least.
As for the USS Enterprise in the 2250s, The studio will do what they like, but the audience is going to expect it to look like the original ship. Mainly because she is iconic. I mean the original model is in the National Air and Space Museum. Not the cultural museums, or the entertainment museums....the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. She means something to the Americans at least.
http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/star-trek-restored-original-enterprise-display-smithsonian/
I don't know if the picture at the top of the article what you mean?
All this counts as fanon - speculation is brilliant for filling gaps. But the Sutherland - as presented - had a terrible bridge. Most of the bridges in TNG were all bad redresses. The Enterprise C is another example since it looks ridiculously low tech compared to the Enterprise B.
Most of the 23rd century designs used throughout TNG don't look anything like the 23rd century designs that came before them in the timeline; And 24th century ships all looked massively different. Defiant, Voyager, enterprise D, Enterprise C, all the multiple battle bridge redresses then eventually the Prometheus and it's redresses.
LCARS all looked roughly the same style - but layout, design, structure all looked vastly different within a very close design period.
.....so with all those changes and style, why do people assume that in the TOS - or close to TOS - era, all interiors looked exactly like that one class of ship?
The assumption is based on what was seen also on Federation starbases at the time. At least for technology. However the argument here is not that other ship can look different. That's not it at all. We want more ships for this era because all we have are Constitutions in TOS. The argument is that if Discovery uses a Constitution, specifically that class of ship, it should look like it did back then. At least externally. Internally it should look at least passingly similar due to all the ships of that class that were seen have the same basic interior designer (redress of the TOS Enterprise sets for Exeter, Defiant, Lexington, and Constellation.) Other ships can look however they like....but this class of ship is a known quality that was respected in all previous shows up to the end of Star Trek: Enterprise.
The in a mirror darkly ENT was an anniversary special and looks goofy as fuck. The NX looked newer and far, far, far more advanced than the TOS clunker
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