Upcoming novel "Unworthy"

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by belle paris, Jun 13, 2009.

  1. Christopher

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    True. But even so, on the scale we're talking about, a few isolated pockets of habitation wouldn't make Borg territory any less of a vast, yawning desert, any more than the occasional Bedouin caravan in the Sahara makes it a lush temperate zone. Paris's characterization of the territory as a whole is probably quite accurate, even if there are occasional, widely scattered exceptions. Those few populated worlds would probably be thousands of light-years from each other and from anyone else.

    In the alternate timeline we glimpsed in First Contact after the Borg Queen's sphere went back into the past, we saw that Earth was still a Borg-populated world over 300 years after its assimilation. That proves that Borg don't just strip planets bare and abandon them, but live on them for considerable lengths of time.

    The key factor I've been taking for granted and failing to spell out explicitly is that there's a difference between what's usable to the Borg and what's usable to conventional life forms. The Borg were a cybernetic race based on nanotechnology. Give them sufficient raw elements and they can technologically synthesize whatever materials they need to sustain the life functions of their drones. Therefore they can convert the entire surface of a planet to technology, killing off all plant and animal life. But after the Caeliar ascension, all Borg technology was turned to dust. So those planets that were able to sustain billions of Borg technologically are now completely dead. They have no water, no plants, no animals, no soil, just barren rock that's been stripped of the technology that used to cover every millimeter of the surface. Any residual oxygen in the air will soon chemically react with the rocks and be removed from the atmosphere. Those worlds that were able to support the Borg are now totally incapable of supporting organic life.


    Sure, but they're the same base elements you can find everywhere else in the universe. Why quest hundreds of light-years into former Borg territory to obtain raw elements that you can mine from any of the millions of asteroids within your own star system?


    Exactly. Exactly. Assuming that the former victims of the Borg would be eager to rush in and reclaim the Borg's former territory is like assuming that European Jews would've wanted to build luxury resorts at Auschwitz and Sobibor. Former Borg territory is probably the last place that anyone who'd been victimized by the Borg would want to go anywhere near for centuries to come.


    Since the Voth live in spacegoing cityships, their territory could easily interpenetrate the territories of other, planet-dwelling civilizations, yet still rarely interact with them directly. So they could be spread over a huge swath of the Delta Quadrant.

    Still, the region where Voyager encountered them (and the Kazon, Vidiians, and everyone else in the first three seasons) is way, way out on the far outer edge of the DQ. So I don't know if the fleet would have any reason to go that far. Though on the other hand, that would be the location of the Mikhal outpost where the writing recognized by Captain Eden was found, so maybe she'd want to go that far.
     
  2. BrotherBenny

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    I would think their first stop would be the Talaxian mining colony, but isn't their mission to enter Borg space and see what's left?
     
  3. Paris

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    IIRC, one of their objectives is to assertain the staus of the Borg. The Caeliar, Picard, and Seven have all said that the Borg are gone forever, but the Federation wants to make sure. I'm sure one of their first stops (other than leaving sub-space transeavers along the way) if not their first, will be the Talaxian mining colony to catch up with the DQ's only Federation embassy.
     
  4. belle paris

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    :bolian: You're right but wouldn't it be a kick in the teeth if Starfleet replaced Neelix with someone more qualified?

    Also, all those Borgs who became free during "Unimatrix Zero", did they die or just their Borg implants turn to dust?
     
  5. Deranged Nasat

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    Well, the "Zeros" show up in "Greater Than the Sum" but their post-Destiny status is still unclear, I think. Former Borg are an interesting plot point now, certainly. As I posted earlier, I'm wondering if Seven will go and find Rebi, Azan and Mezoti. Are they still around? Are they Caeliar now?
     
  6. Paris

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    There could be thousands/millions of former Borg out there who weren't brought into the Gestalt for various reasons. They may actually be one of the biggest groups of "survivors" after the Borg-holocaust, as most of the planets attacked by the Borg ended up losing all life...
     
  7. brcarthey

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    don't you think their fate would be the same as icheb's? i'm more interested in the former borg we saw in "unity."
     
  8. Deranged Nasat

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    That seems most likely, and he's still around apparently. Given how Seven/Annika is suffering, however, I'm wondering if he (and Rebi, Azan and Mezoti if they're still here) is okay.
     
  9. Paris

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    You would assume that they experienced the Gestalt in the way Seven, Picard and Icheb did. I would assume that all the drones that had previously been seperated from the collective, including the three from "Unity", experienced the Gestalt in the way Seven, Picard, and Icheb did.
     
  10. Hartzilla2007

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    cough V'Ger cough

    I'm pretty sure the guys from Unity are long since dead.
     
  11. LutherSloan

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    The ex-Borg drones we saw in GTTS were from Hugh's Liberated group. There was one former Unimatrix Zero drone, who was also a former Starfleet officer who had been previously assimilated. The Liberated were at odds with the 'Zeroes', who they thought were a threat to their society which had come into being more than a decade before Unimatrix Zero was discovered and subsequently destroyed by Voyager.
     
  12. Christopher

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    ^Actually the intent was that the Liberated had incorporated many of the "Zeroes" into their community. Only one was featured in the book, but there was discussion of Hugh's efforts to reconcile the two different groups of Liberated into a unified community. You make it sound like the two groups were hostile to one another, which is an exaggeration. They were trying to coexist as a single community, but there were tensions due to their different cultures and experiences.
     
  13. brcarthey

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    why would you think that? that colony of former drones may have started thriving after they became linked once again.
     
  14. LutherSloan

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    This is basically what I was trying to say, but I exaggerated the tension between the two groups.

    Of course who knows how many ex-drones exist now, and they are all free of implants I would imagine...
     
  15. SicOne

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    Refresh my memory; what happened to Icheb when the Caeliar took the Borg?
     
  16. Paris

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    AFAIK, the same thing that happened to Seven. His implants turned to dust and he had an orgasm or something :devil:.

    Do we know whether Icheb was still in the academy when this happened:vulcan:? I assume that he was, as he would have started classes in 2378. It would be cool if his academy time abroad was spent aboard Voyager or even one of the other PFC ships in the Delta Quadrant. He is rather familiar with after all...
     
  17. JB2005

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    ^Would he be in his fourth year by 2381?
     
  18. Deranged Nasat

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    Should be, so he might be like Torvig and Dakal in "Titan", and be serving aboard a starship.
     
  19. Paris

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    If Icheb was able to finish his first year of Academy studies aboard Voyager while it was in the DQ, then he should have been graduating in 2381. It will be cool to see where he ends up :).

    2377-78: First year aboard Voyager
    2378-79: Second year completed in AQ
    2379-80: Third year completed in AQ
    2380-81: Fourth year completed in AQ

    :)
     
  20. JB2005

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    With so much of the fleet destroyed in Destiny, they might let him out early so maybe Ensign Icheb will show up soon...