Upcoming novel "Unworthy"

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by belle paris, Jun 13, 2009.

  1. Paris

    Paris Commodore Commodore

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    I hadn't realized that her "borggies" had been enhanced by the collective. I just thought that they gave her an "implant" to handle the back pain :devil:.
     
  2. Brefugee

    Brefugee Living the Irish dream. Premium Member

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    :rolleyes:
     
  3. JD

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    But it would be alot of new territory for the nearby powers that are aware of the Borg's dissapearance. I could see it becoming a focal point of some territorial squabbles.
     
  4. Christopher

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    Territory with no habitable planets, few usable resources left, a centuries-long history of death and horror -- what's there that anybody would want? It's just this huge empty hole in the middle of the Delta Quadrant.
     
  5. William Leisner

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    With luck, Kirsten has something more in store for us...
     
  6. Christopher

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    ^Well, yeah... as vast as the Borg's territory was, it made up no more than (eyeballing from Star Charts) maybe 20 percent of the quadrant, probably less. We're talking a whole fourth of the galaxy here. There are undoubtedly millions of surviving civilizations in it. I'm just saying that it would be a mistake to assume that the inevitable aftermath of the Borg's defeat is some kind of grab for their power or territory, because the situation is something very different than any sort of "fall of empire" narrative from Earth history.
     
  7. P0sitr0nic

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    Ah ok. I read both recently..
     
  8. P0sitr0nic

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    Any sutibly advanced species who has the ability to travel to these planets should have terraforming available. The rush for resources and LAND would be a big one with species uprooted by the borg.
     
  9. Christopher

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    But would species uprooted by the Borg have the resources remaining to engage in anything as massive as terraforming? I think they'd just be struggling to survive at this point.
     
  10. Thestral

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    I wonder if there's any plans to revisit the Voth as a major player? I really enjoyed their one episode, and thought their appearance in "Places of Exile" was fantastic.
     
  11. LutherSloan

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    I hope so, they were by far one of the better new alien species to come out of Voyager (Species 8472 is probably #1).
     
  12. Tachyon

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    I didn't like Voth a lot. I would like to see the Vaadwaur, for instance. Or some entirely new DQ species. But I truly hope there won't be more Borg. They are already over-used in Trek books.
     
  13. Paris

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    Oh don't worry about the Borg...just read the Destiny trilogy and you'll see whether or not they are coming back :devil:
     
  14. P0sitr0nic

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    Depends on the species and their views and long term planning skills. Just because we as humans dont seem to have a long sighted ability doesnt mean another species wouldnt.
     
  15. Christopher

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    You're not understanding me. If they've been uprooted by the Borg, if they've survived Borg attempts to assimilate their culture, then credits to crullers they're impoverished refugees scattered across space, depending for survival on the generosity of their neighbors. No matter how farsighted they are, at the moment they wouldn't be materially capable of assembling the resources necessary for a large-scale terraforming operation. First they'd have to rebuild their own civilization before they'd have the luxury of thinking about remaking planets.

    After all, terraforming is a long-term operation by default. Even with the Federation's advanced technobabble, it takes decades (ignoring Genesis, which is sheer magic); more realistically it would take a minimum of several centuries, more likely millennia. With regard to the question of story possibilities for Voyager novels, exploring the short-term aftermath of the Borg's departure -- events on the order of months later, years at most -- terraforming isn't exactly a relevant subject matter.
     
  16. Paris

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    We should also take into account that since Borg space was such a vast area, huge sections will have no one in them and no one even close. If Borg space was roughly 20% of the DQ, you can assume that the outlying areas may have people trying to come in, but the "center" would thousands of light years from any inhabited planets untouched by Borg. If you were flying a ship through there post-Destiny when the Borg are dust, it would be awfully quiet and barren. Just lots of dust flying around :evil:...
     
  17. LightningStorm

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    I'm a little bit concerned about this idea that every planet within ex-Borg space would be uninhabited post-Destiny. Wouldn't there be pockets of ex-Drones that didn't go with the Caeliar? I'd think possibly even a whole planet's worth of people that found themselves suddenly free of Borg enslavement would still exist in places. We know from A Singular Destiny and I believe Destiny itself that not all drones went to join the Caeliar gestalt so why wouldn't there be any people left at all? If the assumption is that the Borg assimilated and consumed literally every thing it could that it needed or could use from a planet then once that planet's resources are gone I'd think they'd leave that planet as there would be nothing left to do there. So it would stand to reason that if the Borg were on a planet at the time of Caeliar assimilation then it would mean that, that planet's resources had not yet been fully assimilated and therefore some consumable resources still exist. Indeed there are likely to be planets that were at the very beginning of assimilation where most resources would still be intact. Granted those planets are unlikely to be in the very heart of Borg territory as those would be the first assimilated and most barren.

    Also, Destiny said something about Borg technology being all destroyed or dissolved or some such when the Caeliar assimilated them. However this concerns me too because what of all of those drones that were on ships in space at the time? Did the cubes dissolve around them and they die in the vacuum of space or did they have no choice but to join the Caeliar or die in that manner? Or, if they chose to remain free of any gestalt or collective did the Caeliar graciously transport them to some friendly planet? Also, considering "matter cannot be created nor destroyed" are we saying that the dissolved Borg technology (of which there was an absolute ass-load) is utterly unusable in its dissolved state? Can we not get back the base elements that made up that technology to begin with?

    These are the questions I'd like answered either via Voyager (most likely candidate for it), Titan, Aventine (another good candidate), or even some Gamma Quadrant Dominion type story.
     
  18. Deranged Nasat

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    Not to mention psychological/cultural problems they might have with settling on former Borg worlds. Would they want to go anywhere near a world associated with the terrifying force that destroyed or uprooted their civilizations?
     
  19. Deranged Nasat

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    I doubt the Voth would emerge from their preferred isolation unless they felt their status as "the first civilization" was threatened. The Voth believe the Delta Quadrant, or at least large parts of it, belong by rights to them, but they don't actively harrass or oppress anyone. They usually stay out of everyone's way and occassionally demand a bit of tribute or a placating pledge of alleigiance if their doctrine is threatened. Of course, they might interpret a Starfleet fleet as a threat, given their interactions with Voyager, but I suppose it depends on how deep into the Delta Quadrant the fleet is headed. "Antagonise the Voth" is probably quite low on the list of mission objectives...
     
  20. Paris

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    The Voth are so far ahead of everyone else, technologically at least, that it would be doubtful that they would percieve the Full Circle fleet as a true threat. One of their city ships can beam a federation vessel inside it with plenty of room to spare!! Here's hoping that the Voth show up again at some point, and not just to take back Earth. What would Earth do if a crazy powerful, and neigh unstoppable, race like the Voth showed up in orbit saying that we were squatting and they wanted their home back :vulcan:? I could see Starfleet being pretty pissed with Chakotay for telling them about Earth :evil: