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Untitled Star Trek - Discovery project

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Somewhat archaic thinking there, given movies regularly go straight to streaming services these days, even award-winning ones :)



Now, people are free to take shots at INS, but that statement is whack haha.



Pure nonsense. CBS will not put a different show out in the public domain that carries the same name as ENT. Not a chance.

As far as the “vast majority of the audience” having not watched ENT, that’s also pure nonsense. By and large, these shows are mostly hitting existing Trek fans, which is why they’ve popped them behind a paywall to get some of that DTC dollar. And, quite frankly, ENT has viewing figures to its name that none of the current Trek shows will have ever achieve first run in North America, so to claim that the target audience will be unfamiliar with the show is pure rubbish.

In fact, I’d be very surprised if either Discovery or Picard are getting viewing figures in the US (in their first three days) that are significantly higher than what ENT was getting in its final two seasons.

Different world now, so expectations for success are different, but to try and make the claim that these new shows are being aimed at an audience that won’t have seen Enterprise is nuts.

Why is it "archaic thinking?" I didn't say it was bad or had anything to do with quality. I simply say it's not a "movie" if all it's going to be is a 2-hour presentation of a series that already in production and it won't be in theaters.
 
Now, people are free to take shots at INS, but that statement is whack haha.

Damn straight! :angel:

As far as the “vast majority of the audience” having not watched ENT, that’s also pure nonsense. By and large, these shows are mostly hitting existing Trek fans, which is why they’ve popped them behind a paywall to get some of that DTC dollar. And, quite frankly, ENT has viewing figures to its name that none of the current Trek shows will have ever achieve first run in North America, so to claim that the target audience will be unfamiliar with the show is pure rubbish.

In fact, I’d be very surprised if either Discovery or Picard are getting viewing figures in the US (in their first three days) that are significantly higher than what ENT was getting in its final two seasons.

Well, to be totally fair, I stopped watching ENT six episodes in. But I know what you meant. ;)

But I've been re-watching it lately, thanks to COVID-19. I'm an insomniac. Have been since I was 18. And the second season of ENT has really been helping me with that. Too bad it was only 26 episodes. Guess I'll have to go back to my old standby 2001: A Space Odyssey. (dodges tomatoes thrown at me)
 
There is both a movie and a television series that is simply titled "Star Trek".
No shit, but they both involve the same characters, on the same ship albeit one is set in an alternate universe. They're not going to have two series called Star Trek: Enterprise about two different ships called Enterprise, with two different crews.
 
What are you even talking about? @Blooded has made a pretty valid point that there is no way in a million years that CBS will give two different series the same name.
Under the current management at CBS:

The Twilight Zone, Hawaii Five O, Macgyver, Magnum PI, SWAT, The Equalizer, Charmed, Gossip Girl, Dynasty, The Game, Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place, Nancy Drew.

Did they not all get sequels or reboots with exactly the same name?
 
Under the current management at CBS:

The Twilight Zone, Hawaii Five O, Macgyver, Magnum PI, SWAT, The Equalizer, Charmed, Gossip Girl, Dynasty, The Game, Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place, Nancy Drew.

Did they not all get sequels or reboots with exactly the same name?

They do, but don't they all use the same characters and sometimes even plotlines? Star Trek - Enterprise (Archer) and Star Trek Enterprise (Pike) would have different characters, different time periods and even a different ship... I'm not saying it would be that confusing, cos fans would know the difference between these shows, but if it's really smart... I don't know.
 
Under the current management at CBS:

The Twilight Zone, Hawaii Five O, Macgyver, Magnum PI, SWAT, The Equalizer, Charmed, Gossip Girl, Dynasty, The Game, Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place, Nancy Drew.

Did they not all get sequels or reboots with exactly the same name?
All pretty well known, popular series. If someone who's not a fan looks up Star Trek: Enterprise, they're going to find articles and videos talking about how it was a failure and led to the temporary death of Star Trek. That doesn't seem like something they'd want to remind people of when they could easily call it something else.
 
They do, but don't they all use the same characters and sometimes even plotlines? Star Trek - Enterprise (Archer) and Star Trek Enterprise (Pike) would have different characters, different time periods and even a different ship... I'm not saying it would be that confusing, cos fans would know the difference between these shows, but if it's really smart... I don't know.
I think a new flashy show called “Star Trek: Enterprise” with the actual Enterprise people remember (kinda), with Spock and the vague promise of eventually seeing a new Kirk, is a smart idea. The previous series is irrelevant enough to justify the erasure.

It could definitely be renamed before production begins, but right now it is “Star Trek: Enterprise wt/ Strange New World”, in the same way we have “Star Trek: Discovery wt/ Green Harvest”, “Star Trek: Picard wt/ Crosby Street” and the upcoming “Star Trek: Section 31 wt/ Wind Cleaver”.
 
All pretty well known, popular series. If someone who's not a fan looks up Star Trek: Enterprise, they're going to find articles and videos talking about how it was a failure and led to the temporary death of Star Trek. That doesn't seem like something they'd want to remind people of when they could easily call it something else.
Very fringe case of somebody being confused. They’d just hammer the messaging as “the new Enterprise series”. It’s very hard to imagine somebody in 2020 thinking the old series is the new one, and any audience member that does think that isn’t probably worth marketing to. They can also just down weight the prominence of the older series in search on CBS All Access and Netflix.
 
Gonna add my voice to the crowd saying that there's no way CBS names a Captain Pike series "Star Trek Enterprise" when there's already an entry in the Trek franchise with that name.

Trying to point to Rebooted properties as an example of name re-usage doesn't work in this case because you're not talking about equivalent things.

Giving two completely disparate TV series the same name just isn't good business practice, particularly when you're looking to attract new audiences.
 
Under the current management at CBS:

The Twilight Zone, Hawaii Five O, Macgyver, Magnum PI, SWAT, The Equalizer, Charmed, Gossip Girl, Dynasty, The Game, Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place, Nancy Drew.

Did they not all get sequels or reboots with exactly the same name?

Again, what are you talking about? How is a Pike series being called Star Trek: Enterprise a reboot or sequel to Star Trek: Enterprise starring Scott bakula? .
 
The benefit of lockdown means the producers of this project are on their phones. For those who have access to the production info, I spoke to the "Paramount" producer earlier today.

The listing is for the Noah Hawley film, but they likely used the same production office info. All the producers and production companies in the listing are working on the Noah Hawley film, and need a production listing in Canada to claim tax expenses back, and the Canadian producers need a listing to get paid. This is that listing.

It's not a Discovery film, but Alex Kurtzman and Heather Kadin are producing the film. The "Paramount" producer has no real involvement, but if they want him, he'd love to do it. The film does not have a greenlight, and still years out.

Everyone is trying to get Discovery Season 3 finished. They wrapped filming the season in Canada, but never filmed Los Angeles visual effects footage, so we will likely get some holdover episodes. The Discovery team are now also involved with supervising the Halo series.

"Paramount" producer confirmed Picard has another 20 episodes planned, and he is directly involved in that on a daily basis.
 
The previous series is irrelevant enough to justify the erasure.

It's so irrelevant, it's been referenced in both the more recent Abrams' films and Discovery. Also, if Enterprise is such a failure, why draw more attention to it by naming your new show after it? It comes across as lazy and pretentious, and sets a bad precedent for some clownish producer in the future to name their show Star Trek: The Next Generation and claim the Patrick Stewart show is now irrelevant.

FWIW, I used the Wayback Machine on that Ontario link, and it did say Star Trek: Enterprise in March, but God knows where that site gets its info.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200309035321/https://www.dgc.ca/en/ontario/productionView?p=54665
 
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Wow. That's a bit grim, isn't it?

My point being that someone likes spouting info on an internet bulletin board about people working in offices supposedly making all this stuff for a fictional tv show, while my office, whose work is decidedly non-fiction, is closed indefinitely. Take that how you will.
 
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