Unseen TOS....

[Atolm]

Ding ding ding!! We've got a winner! or in any case I would totally go for that ship.

Thanks. Here is a close-up of the drawing used for the simulated screenshot:

Direct link:
https://i.postimg.cc/prLQYNmh/Concept-Klingon-Scout-Fridays-Child-02.jpg

 

[StarCruiser]

So, basically a Klingon warp shuttle type ship.

I have often thought that FASA intended some of these ships to be what the Klingons used:

FYI - these images came from the old STSTCS site here:
http://www.ststcsolda.space/

 

[Warped9]

A lot of room to interpret the image from “Friday’s Child.” Chekov identifies the ship as a Klingon warship, but it certainly doesn’t look like the D7 type we will not see revealed until the third season in “The Enterprise Incident.” We can conjecture the design of a Klingon “warship” had not yet been established at this point of the second season.

 

[Dukhat]

Pretty much any ship built by the Klingons would be considered a ‘warship,’ whether it was a scout or a battlecruiser, so I don’t see much of a problem with Chekov’s choice of words to describe the vessel.

 

[Warped9]

Pretty much any ship built by the Klingons would be considered a ‘warship,’ whether it was a scout or a battlecruiser, so I don’t see much of a problem with Chekov’s choice of words to describe the vessel.

Not sure I can agree. The Klingons can be full of it, but I doubt they’d send a shuttle or even just a scoutship to challenge a Federation heavy cruiser, given the Klingons themselves have referred to a Federation heavy cruiser as a battle cruiser (TSFS). In “Errand Of Mercy” a scout type vessel did attack the Enterprise in a surprise attack, but that seemed to be due to surprise and maybe more than a little Klingon hubris.

The situation conveyed in “Friday’s Child” is that this is a vessel capable of making a serious challenge. If the D7 miniature had been available then it’s likely thats what would have been used. But apparently it wasn’t so they cobbled something together that looked undefined at extreme range onscreen. We can speculate on whether the D7 miniature could have been made available sooner if Jefferies had already designed it or we can speculate the Klingons have another piece of heavy hardware in their inventory. The first possibility is the most cost effective in the long run to have one miniature that can be reused. The second possibility is more interesting because it adds more texture to the TOS universe.

For the second possibility to work, given we know the D7 will eventually appear, is to have something that could have been quickly cobbled together and not need to be heavily detailed as it will be shown only “at extreme range.”

 

[Dukhat]

Not sure I can agree. The Klingons can be full of it, but I doubt they’d send a shuttle or even just a scoutship to challenge a Federation heavy cruiser, given the Klingons themselves have referred to a Federation heavy cruiser as a battle cruiser (TSFS). In “Errand Of Mercy” a scout type vessel did attack the Enterprise in a surprise attack, but that seemed to be due to surprise and maybe more than a little Klingon hubris.

The situation conveyed in “Friday’s Child” is that this is a vessel capable of making a serious challenge. If the D7 miniature had been available then it’s likely thats what would have been used. But apparently it wasn’t so they cobbled something together that looked undefined at extreme range onscreen. We can speculate on whether the D7 miniature could have been made available sooner if Jefferies had already designed it or we can speculate the Klingons have another piece of heavy hardware in their inventory. The first possibility is the most cost effective in the long run to have one miniature that can be reused. The second possibility is more interesting because it adds more texture to the TOS universe.

For the second possibility to work, given we know the D7 will eventually appear, is to have something that could have been quickly cobbled together and not need to be heavily detailed as it will be shown only “at extreme range.”

I don’t agree. For the entire episode, the Klingon ship was sending the Enterprise false distress signals to lure it away from the planet. And once the Enterprise did finally confront the vessel, it retreated without a fight (a very un-Klingon thing to do.) Add to that the description of the vessel by Kras as a small scout ship, I conclude that the ship simply wouldn’t have been able to match the Enterprise in a fair fight, so it had to resort to subterfuge. It was just a ‘lesser’ warship than, say, a D7, which would have equally matched the Enterprise in battle.

 

[Warped9]

And Kras couldn’t have been lying? No, they would never do that.

Whatever, lots of room for speculation.

 

[Dukhat]

And Kras couldn’t have been lying? No, they would never do that.

Whatever, lots of room for speculation.

I’m not sure why Kras would lie, especially since what we see in the episode as concerns the Klingon ship backs up his story.

That’s why it also made no sense for TOS-R to turn it into a D7, since there would have been no reason for a battlecruiser to retreat without at least engaging the Enterprise in battle.

However, this is not the thread to debate on-screen dialogue versus VFX; this is the thread to post your work for unseen TOS, so I’ll drop it.

 

[Warped9]

It’s all good. I could easily have misinterpreted or misremembered the contents of the story.

 

[publiusr]

Well, it looked like one at least! (In the original version, anyway)
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This was a step up, by any measure:
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So that's where the Jellyfish came from...

I want to see Warped('s tank inspired version--maybe this will help
http://www.starshipmodeler.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=128705&p=1791317#p1791317

A computer mouse for parts? Stupid me remembered this thing looking like Slave I.

Now, Rick had a little Klingon shuttle as well:
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/spaceflight-chronology/152.jpg

 

[IRW Bloodwing]

Still tweaking towards the finish item, but this is a fair look at what the end result will be like.

NICE!

 

[Colonel Midnight]

Thanks. Here is a close-up of the drawing used for the simulated screenshot:

Direct link:
https://i.postimg.cc/prLQYNmh/Concept-Klingon-Scout-Fridays-Child-02.jpg

Reminds me of the Independence class/variant of the LCS (Littoral Combat Ship)... which more than a few people I know call ‘the Klingon Battle cruiser’ IRL. Lol!

Cheers,
-CM-

 

[Santaman]

I like Atolm's design a lot, I think that Klingons must have many (rivaling) ship building houses so their ships can vary quite a bit in shape, at least that's my 2 cents.

 

[StarCruiser]

^ Yep - their own "Mikoyan Gurevich", "Sukoi", "Ilyushin" etc...

 

[STEPhon IT]

A physical image telegraphs something to the human brain and thats tricky to emulate. For one thing real objects are often imperfect in form and motion whereas cgi is often too sharp, too perfect.

Any chance you'll tackle Matt Jefferies working concept of the Enterprise shuttlecraft? Some it reminded them of a Romulan ship but with your touches I think you could explore the possibilities of what that design could've been?

 

[Warped9]

Any chance you'll tackle Matt Jefferies working concept of the Enterprise shuttlecraft? Some it reminded them of a Romulan ship but with your touches I think you could explore the possibilities of what that design could've been?

You mean this? I worked on this quite some time ago, but it's not completely finished as I wanted to show it in a landed configuration with a gangway door open. I reconceived it as a 2-deck runabout.

 

[Warped9]

Still working out details. Seems I'll be home for awhile given I'm temporarily laid off until our store reopens for more than curbside pickup so I'm hoping to get some more modelling done...between getting some things done around the house and yard now that Spring is here.



This isn't meant to have any real grace, majesty or elegance to it like Starfleet's frontline ships. This is supposed to convey the idea of something packed with equipment, but little spare room for crew and their comfort. I wanted it to have something of a submarine feel to it without actually resembling a sub. These kind of ships can be built or configued for multiple purposes--some more slanted toward planetary survey, some toward transport and/or bulk cargo.

I honestly cannot say Matt Jefferies could have come up with this, but I hope it's overall design language could seem like something he could have done and that this wouldn't look out of place in TOS as a smaller, older and less elegant workhorse.

Given this would have most likely have been a static miniature (no lights) I’ll colour it that way since it would be seen only for a brief moment (if that) onscreen. Afterward I can add lights to it.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Gagggh. I’m so sorry to hear about your work situation. Hopefully with things starting to open up again you’ll be back to full employment soon.

oh and P.S., I absolutely LURRRRRRVE what you did with the Jefferies shuttle concept! Would love to see that finished someday.

 

[Warped9]

Gagggh. I’m so sorry to hear about your work situation. Hopefully with things starting to open up again you’ll be back to full employment soon.

Thanks. The current re-opening target is May 20. But with cases starting to trend downward and the government supposedly focusing on hotspots it’s possible the lockdwn could be lifted sooner. And I hope it doesn’t get extended like last time—I was supposed to be off for four weeks, but was off for actually seven from beginning of January to mid February.

I’m also registered to get my first vaccine shot so I’m waiting for notification I can go.

 

[Warped9]

Starting to work out colours using many of the same ones used on the pilot version of the 11 footer, but with a few differences. Some windows added for some sense of scale. Some of the gray tones look more stark in variation here then they'll likely appear in the renders.

I am trying to keep the shapes relatively simple with a mind to ease of construction. I am taking some liberties in terms of shallow three dimensional shapes that could actually be painted on for the brief time the miniature would appear onscreen.



The main central hull is three decks thick (the upper two decks have a few windows). A small hangar can be seen aft. The various pods about the hull hold a variety of sensor arrays. The large pod below can be used for different purposes. This type of hull could possibly be configured as a freighter by stripping away the lower section and instrument pods supplanted with transport containers of varying size depending on cargo. In this way the model could be reused as is or modified to represent a different kind of ship.

Would Jefferies have considered the possibility of repurposing a spaceship miniature? Possibly in the interest of minimizing costs. Moderately modifying an existing miniature would be a savings in time and money as opposed to constructing an entirely new one. This would have worked great for depicting the automated freighter Woden in “The Ultimate Computer” even though Jefferies would have had no inkling of that two years earlier in 1966. It certainly would have made more sense than reusing existing footage of the Botany Bay. And if such a miniature as this existed then it would have made it easier and possible to show glimpses of ships like the Astral Queen and Beagle.

Mind you as I stated way upthread it isn’t always necessary story wise to show another ship being referred to, particularly if the vessel has already been destroyed or is far out of visual range. But here I’m trying to explore possibilities. A story can also dictate that reusing an existing miniature might not be the best choice so that a new miniature could be required.