United Earth in the Star Trek universe

[Nyotarules]

....If there are conditions then it's not open immigration, open immigration is a unconditional open flood gate cluster fuck.I would imagine there is some immigration, taking into consideration what the people on Earth want their planetary population to be, and vetting the applicants for the best of the best in terms of graduate degrees and skills.According to Robert Heinlein, that's how the moon obtained it's political independance from Earth. Hopefully Earth has a better policy on that than the Federation's policy on "no gays allowed."

Knowing what human nature is like I can see human racism being swapped for human speciesm - Being the first to do something ' not the norm' is not welcomed with glee in human culture especially when it comes to sex and relationships. And other species might be just the same e.g A Vulcan with a human might be considered illogical or insane

 

[Tenacity]

I doubt that there is such a thing as "Federation rights."

Each species / each planet would have their own legal code that would remain in place after they obtain membership in the Federation.

 

[Six of Twelve]

This is a fun post.

1. Personal rain deflectors. That is, when activated, you wouldn't get wet when outside on a rainy day.
2. Air conditioned and heated clothing, used for extended time outdoors.
3. Many types of jobs won't require traveling to a central workplace, but people will work at home, telecommuting. This will eliminate rush hour traffic for the most part and reduce pollution. This is possible now but most office jobs involving computer use still requires 9-5, Mon-Fri face time at a central workplace, anyway.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I doubt that there is such a thing as "Federation rights."

Each species / each planet would have their own legal code that would remain in place after they obtain membership in the Federation.

Basically the only universal concept of "Federation rights" that must be adhered to by all member worlds is: no caste based discrimination. Beyond that, each world is left to its own devices as far as legal codes go.

Oh and there's also a requirement that all members must have a single global government, but that's not "rights" as such.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

No mention of other campuses has ever been mentioned, not even in novels. Well, there was a reference to a campus on Earth's Moon in a novel, but as that's where Sloan claims to have graduated, I'm of the opinion that is in fact a Section 31 training compound.

While the Academy Superintendent and his 'senior staff' might be based primarily - or even excusively in San Francisco - there are other Academy facilities for at least testing or exercises:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Academy_Flight_Range
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Marseille_Starfleet_base
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_Academy_(Beta_Aquilae_II) (graduates ensigns)
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_Academy_(Beta_Ursae_Minor_II) (graduates ensigns)
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_Technical_Services_Academy (trains enlisted crewman)

 

[Six of Twelve]

A couple more

Portable tech devices such as pads, tricorders, flashlights, comm devices won't depend on batteries that must be recharged. They'll always be ready for use.

Home power and powered devices won't need to be plugged in - it'll work something like Wi-Fi does now. Also power supplies will be impervious to weather conditions.

 

[Tenacity]

Basically the only universal concept of "Federation rights" that must be adhered to by all member worlds is: no caste based discrimination.

I wonder how long that wasn't a entry restriction? Was it in place in say Kirk's time?

I mean the restriction probably didn't come out of no-where. And the members that joined the Federation with castes in place, did they keep them (grandfathered in), or would it be a matter of lose the castes or lose their membership.

Oh and there's also a requirement that all members must have a single global government, but that's not "rights" as such.

I don't think that's a requirement. I know the episode that supposedly comes from and I don't think that (single global government) is what Picard meant.

I think he meant unity in a social and cultural sense.

 

[Shawnster]

I doubt that there is such a thing as "Federation rights."

Each species / each planet would have their own legal code that would remain in place after they obtain membership in the Federation.

By the 24th Century there are "Guarantees" to the Federation Constitution similar to the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Seventh_Guarantee
The Seventh Guarantee of the Constitution of the United Federation of Planets protected all Federationcitizens from being compelled to give self-incriminating testimony in legal proceedings.

In 2367, Simon Tarses invoked the Seventh Guarantee while being interrogated by Sabin Genestra and refused to discuss his Romulan heritage, having been so advised by his appointed counsel, William Riker. (TNG: "The Drumhead")

 

[The Wormhole]

Data was said to be a academy graduate, with no meantion of San Fransisco.

I said "overwhelming majority" not all.

Given his stated graduation class year, it's doubtful he went to a academy on Earth.

Which stated graduation year? There are three different dates given as Data's graduation: "78" from Farpoint, 2348 in The Measure of a Man and 2345 in Conundrum. "78" is an obvious early episodes mix-up and should be considered no more legitimate than James R Kirk. Keep in mind no one bothered trying to think up specific dates until The Neutral Zone gave us 2364. Besides, we know the entire Federation uses Earth calendars anyway, so even if Data did attend the Academy on a different planet, the year would be given as an Earth year anyway.

While the Academy Superintendent and his 'senior staff' might be based primarily - or even excusively in San Francisco - there are other Academy facilities for at least testing or exercises:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Academy_Flight_Range
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Marseille_Starfleet_base
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_Academy_(Beta_Aquilae_II) (graduates ensigns)
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_Academy_(Beta_Ursae_Minor_II) (graduates ensigns)
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_Technical_Services_Academy (trains enlisted crewman)

Since the first two are in the Sol System anyway, and the second one is in Earth at that, they're likely just considered Starfleet Academy facilities, in the same way universities can have off-campus facilities on the other end of the city they're in.

As for the other three, apparently the only on screen mention in fifty years of Trek to other Academy campuses is a computer graphic. Although the Technical Services Academy training enlisted on Mars seems odd, given we already know Simon Tarses left Mars to attend Starfleet Academy's enlisted training program at San Francisco.

 

[Tenacity]

Besides, we know the entire Federation uses Earth calendars anyway

Spock in Yesteryear was obviously using a Vulcan calendar, the Federation does seem to use stardates.

I said "overwhelming majority" not all.

With the vast majority of Starfleet officer's we've seen, we have no idea where they received their training.

 

[Nyotarules]

1. A Universal Earth currency - The Terron
(yeah I'm in the ST still has money camp)
2. Human colonists must pass a psychological profile before they (go out there in the galaxy and shame us) migrate . Since we don't want to export xenophobes.
3. Offworlders cannot claim Social Security/Welfare benefits for five years lol

 

[Six of Twelve]

I'm not in the money camp.

No one will have to work for basic survival - to eat, keep a roof over their heads, education, to get health care. People will work to better humanity, to pursue their own interests, or just for something to do. Even today, there's enough food on the planet to feed every person and it's only politics that keep some people hungry.

A basic standard of living that guarantees adequate shelter, food, clothing, education, and health care will be a basic human right planet wide, and to allow people to be left homeless, hungry, uneducated, and/or sick will be seen as barbaric.

 

[Tenacity]

Money camp (sounds like a fun place).

Probably would be assistance for those who were mentally and physically incapable of working.

Homeless shelters and camps for those who simply refused to get off their asses. Maybe there would be homeless planets where they would sent after being rounded up.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

The combination of abundant, inexpensive, clean power, asteroid mining for raw materials, and technology with the ability to disintegrate and integrate virtually anything from an electronic pattern would do things to the economy that would be unpredictable, but that I'd love to see.

I see replicator patterns evolving to be like apps: you get a bunch that come with the machine, and then you can buy all the other ones (and upgrade existing basics) with credits (if you simply MUST have money.) Everything is DLC.

 

[Tracy Trek]

The combination of abundant, inexpensive, clean power, asteroid mining for raw materials, and technology with the ability to disintegrate and integrate virtually anything from an electronic pattern would do things to the economy that would be unpredictable, but that I'd love to see.

If we could replicate anything we need from stuff we now throw away, that would be great. No trash, no sewage.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

As for the other three, apparently the only on screen mention in fifty years of Trek to other Academy campuses is a computer graphic. Although the Technical Services Academy training enlisted on Mars seems odd, given we already know Simon Tarses left Mars to attend Starfleet Academy's enlisted training program at San Francisco.

Actually, not to split hairs but Tarses only stated that he attended "Academy's training programme for enlisted personnel" (which like the Flight Range and the Marseille PT facility is probably administrated by the Academy Superintendent based at San Francisco) but isn't located in San Francisco (but rather at the STSA base on Mars)?

A real world example would be people staying they "went to Oxford (University)" when in fact they attended a particular college within Oxford (given that each college is mostly autonomous, but many have limited name recognition outside of the "Oxbridge system".

 

[The Wormhole]

Actually, not to split hairs but Tarses only stated that he attended "Academy's training programme for enlisted personnel" (which like the Flight Range and the Marseille PT facility is probably administrated by the Academy Superintendent based at San Francisco) but isn't located in San Francisco (but rather at the STSA base on Mars)?

A real world example would be people staying they "went to Oxford (University)" when in fact they attended a particular college within Oxford (given that each college is mostly autonomous, but many have limited name recognition outside of the "Oxbridge system".

The actual conversation:

PICARD: Well, tell me a little about yourself, Crewman. I know you were born on Mars Colony.
TARSES: Yes, sir. All my life I wanted to be in Starfleet. I went to the Academy's training programme for enlisted personnel. I took training as a medical technician and I served at several outposts. The day that I was posted to the Enterprise was the happiest day of my life.
PICARD: Did you ever consider applying to the Academy, going the whole route, apply to become an officer?
TARSES: My parents wanted me to. And then I thought about it. I used to sit under this big tree near the parade grounds
PICARD: An elm tree with a circular bench?
TARSES: Yes, that's the one.
PICARD: I spent many an hour there. It was my favourite spot to study.
TARSES: I used to sit under that tree and watch the drills, picture myself an officer. I know that it would have made my mother very happy, but.
PICARD: You didn't do it.

Given Tarses spent time during his enlisted training around the same elm tree with a circular bench Picard frequented during his Academy years, and we know for a fact Picard attended the Academy at San Francisco, Tarses therefore did his enlisted training at San Francisco.

 

[Tenacity]

Tarses therefore did his enlisted training at San Francisco.

The quoted dialog never mentions San Fransisco, if Paris can go to different locations for portions of his training why not Picard?

The only thing we know Picard did in San Fransisco was interact with one of the grounds keepers.

If we could replicate anything we need from stuff we now throw away, that would be great. No trash, no sewage.

Not even close to the truth. Americans recycle slightly over a third of our trash, and likely could inch that percentage up a bit, but the idea that our garbage could supply our needs now is in error

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

The actual conversation:

Given Tarses spent time during his enlisted training around the same elm tree with a circular bench Picard frequented during his Academy years, and we know for a fact Picard attended the Academy at San Francisco, Tarses therefore did his enlisted training at San Francisco.

Ok, so Tarses spent some of his time - prior to joining the Enterprise at San Francisco - the phrasing suggests to me that it was prior to deciding to go enlisted (perhaps he was visiting relatives) but another possible explanation is that at least some his medical classes (probably the pharmacology ones) were conducted at Starfleet Medical in San Francisco and the STSA is the Basic Training Facility (for the Sol System) only.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Americans recycle slightly over a third of our trash, and likely could inch that percentage up a bit, but the idea that our garbage could supply our needs now is in error

Any replicator capable of generating whatever we need, would also recycle (with 100% efficiency) all trash. Trek's replicators do this, don't they?