Uniforms

[eyeresist]

I knew something didn't look right with my TWOK uniform redesign...Just take my design, merge it with the Galaxy Quest uniforms and you got the wiggles costumes. BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!

They aren't THAT bad...i'd say keep the top row shirts, combine with bottom row striped pants, add STRIPES *AND* pin insignias, and they'd look great. ANy way you can photoshop that on TMP pictures?

Star Trek Into Dorkness

 

[Nerys Myk]

TWOK goes TOS

 

[FormerLurker]

Turn those rank pins on the shoulders so they go front to back like the ones in TMP and you might have something.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Tried it. Didn't like it. I prefer the sleeve cuff stripes.

 

[Gassy Man]

I don't know, none of us will. I'm speaking about the costume itself.

I can see how the actual costume might be an issue for today's actors, though I've been on a few TV sets and can say they are often cold except when directly under the lights. Perhaps movie sets are similar, and it would actually be comfortable to wear something heavier.

In terms of a uniform, though, whenever this debate comes up, people want to assume the fabric would behave just like one today -- as though that must be wool because the costume is a wool. But this is supposed to be the future, with transparent aluminum and Retinax V. There's no reason to believe fabrics in that time period would have to behave like fabrics today. After all, we also watched them beam down to any number of environments on TOS just wearing the standard uniform. There must have been something adaptive in them.

I would like to point out, as a matter of discussion, that uniforms are also designed as much for their visual appeal as their material. The uniform provides a ready visual identifier of the person's rank, department and seniority within Starfleet, or other military type organization. Materials should be chosen that can adequately accommodate both the visual image and the work it is designed for.

As much as I like the TWOK uniforms, the officers jackets look too cumbersome for shipboard work. Even if the officers are just on the Bridge, sitting at their stations, and the materials are adaptive, in some way, they still look pretty heavy duty.

But, the idea of adaptive materials is an appealing one, but the visual impact has to be kept in mind too, if that makes sense.

From a strictly production point of view, the TWOK jacket was wool, so I would imagine that it was hot for the actors.

Maybe. Essentially, they're sitting in chairs and/or at computer stations. I'm typing this right now wearing a mock turtleneck and suede sport coat, and I don't feel encumbered in doing that straightforward task.

 

[Gassy Man]

TWOK goes TOS

Very interesting -- change the rank and insignia on the gold one, and you have an almost exact copy of a uniform from The Cage or Where No Man Has Gone Before.

 

[A beaker full of death]

I don't think the full-on badge looks right on these shirts. I think the TMP version would look better.

 

[fireproof78]

I can see how the actual costume might be an issue for today's actors, though I've been on a few TV sets and can say they are often cold except when directly under the lights. Perhaps movie sets are similar, and it would actually be comfortable to wear something heavier.

In terms of a uniform, though, whenever this debate comes up, people want to assume the fabric would behave just like one today -- as though that must be wool because the costume is a wool. But this is supposed to be the future, with transparent aluminum and Retinax V. There's no reason to believe fabrics in that time period would have to behave like fabrics today. After all, we also watched them beam down to any number of environments on TOS just wearing the standard uniform. There must have been something adaptive in them.

I would like to point out, as a matter of discussion, that uniforms are also designed as much for their visual appeal as their material. The uniform provides a ready visual identifier of the person's rank, department and seniority within Starfleet, or other military type organization. Materials should be chosen that can adequately accommodate both the visual image and the work it is designed for.

As much as I like the TWOK uniforms, the officers jackets look too cumbersome for shipboard work. Even if the officers are just on the Bridge, sitting at their stations, and the materials are adaptive, in some way, they still look pretty heavy duty.

But, the idea of adaptive materials is an appealing one, but the visual impact has to be kept in mind too, if that makes sense.

From a strictly production point of view, the TWOK jacket was wool, so I would imagine that it was hot for the actors.

Maybe. Essentially, they're sitting in chairs and/or at computer stations. I'm typing this right now wearing a mock turtleneck and suede sport coat, and I don't feel encumbered in doing that straightforward task.

I get that, as I will sometimes have to wear a jacket doing my job and that is more active. But the possibility is there for officers to do more active jobs, even aboard ship. The turtleneck only uniform makes sense to me in that it can be multipurpose and layered for away missions, or dress uniforms.

Also, Geoff, nice job!

Glad you got rid of the leg stripe on one, and agree about the rank being on the sleeve.

 

[Nerys Myk]

 

[Gassy Man]

Yep, nice job on the uniform illustrations.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I have a further suggestion.

Now I know the existence of a 'Starfleet Marine Corps' is not canon (Colonel West notwithstanding), but assuming for the sake of argument that it is, I'd like to have them wear the same uniform as the rest of TOS, but in black.

I have no skillz with Photoshop or any other editing suite, though, so I can't create such things myself. Just spitballin'.

 

[fireproof78]

I have a further suggestion.

Now I know the existence of a 'Starfleet Marine Corps' is not canon (Colonel West notwithstanding), but assuming for the sake of argument that it is, I'd like to have them wear the same uniform as the rest of TOS, but in black.

I have no skillz with Photoshop or any other editing suite, though, so I can't create such things myself. Just spitballin'.

Just to help out with ideas of the SFMC uniforms, here are some fan concepts for your reference

Fan group uniforms for TOS Era

Class A Dress

Class B Duty

TWOK concept with Starfleet Maroon for Comparison

Another TWOK concept

I know there are more out there, but I hope that helps inspire

 

[Nerys Myk]

I have a further suggestion.

Now I know the existence of a 'Starfleet Marine Corps' is not canon (Colonel West notwithstanding), but assuming for the sake of argument that it is, I'd like to have them wear the same uniform as the rest of TOS, but in black.

I have no skillz with Photoshop or any other editing suite, though, so I can't create such things myself. Just spitballin'.

I see this suggestion come up from time to time and I wonder, why black? Marines aren't Ninjas. US Marines don't wear black, Their dress uniforms are a dark blue. Otherwise they wear khaki, green or a camo pattern. Royal Marines don't wear black either.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Landing party uniforms should be different from standard dress anyway. Marines deploying for combat duty would wear uniforms appropriate for the mission, which would vary depending on the mission. Black would be wrong for snow, for instance.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Nice!

 

[fireproof78]

I have a further suggestion.

Now I know the existence of a 'Starfleet Marine Corps' is not canon (Colonel West notwithstanding), but assuming for the sake of argument that it is, I'd like to have them wear the same uniform as the rest of TOS, but in black.

I have no skillz with Photoshop or any other editing suite, though, so I can't create such things myself. Just spitballin'.

I see this suggestion come up from time to time and I wonder, why black? Marines aren't Ninjas. US Marines don't wear black, Their dress uniforms are a dark blue. Otherwise they wear khaki, green or a camo pattern. Royal Marines don't wear black either.

I agree with the question, but I think I read it, somwhere (or I made it up in the dark recesses of my mind) that Starfleet Marines were black as a representation of the space that they served in. Yes, that sounds weird, given, that Starfleet operates in space, but the idea was that they were set a part in their service. Again, a possible outgrowth of Starfleet's inspiration from "Space Cadet" in which Marine uniforms were more gaudy than their Patrol counterparts. In contrast, Starfleet uniforms were more colorful, so the Marines one were drab in contrast. Or I could just be making all this up...

Honestly, Marine uniforms, aside from dress and shipboard duty, would be a pain to develop, because they would depend on the environment that they were being deployed in.

On another note, here is a Marine symbol designed off of the TWOK badge.

 

[Spock's Barber]

TMP uniforms matched the general mood of the movie; pretty bland IMO.

TWOK uniforms looked like something from Mardi Gras.

I still like TOS pajama uniforms tunics, with the contrasting black pants and boots.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I have a further suggestion.

Now I know the existence of a 'Starfleet Marine Corps' is not canon (Colonel West notwithstanding), but assuming for the sake of argument that it is, I'd like to have them wear the same uniform as the rest of TOS, but in black.

I have no skillz with Photoshop or any other editing suite, though, so I can't create such things myself. Just spitballin'.

I see this suggestion come up from time to time and I wonder, why black? Marines aren't Ninjas. US Marines don't wear black, Their dress uniforms are a dark blue. Otherwise they wear khaki, green or a camo pattern. Royal Marines don't wear black either.

I agree with the question, but I think I read it, somwhere (or I made it up in the dark recesses of my mind) that Starfleet Marines were black as a representation of the space that they served in.

I just think a black TOS uniform would look cool, that's all. I'm not making a value judgement by my use of the color, or trying to base it on any 'real' Marine uniform.

Besides, we already have a blue uniform, so that's out..

Another TWOK concept

See? That's what I mean.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Starship Saladin went with the olive green for TOS-era M.A.C.O. uniform shirt/minidress color, which I think works really well. Link.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Green was my choice as well