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True (?): the cast did not get along!

Well, the series ran for seven years - I'm *sure* there were arguments on set, but I've seen nothing to suggest they were systematic.

(think I read that he was once advocated for Colm Meaney to be allowed to take time off to do a movie)

I thought Meaney had it written into his contract that he'd have a certain amount of extra time off a year to do a movie or other project... (which was one of the reasons they introduced Eddington in S3, to give them another recognisable Starfleet face for the episodes where Meaney wasn't around much).
 
Interesting thread. I've been to a few conventions and the impression I got (albeit from the perspective of audience member) is that the Niners seemed to have gotten along quite well.

Alaimo, Biggs, and Combs do Shakespeare performances together. And when I mention that, it seems to be something they want to do together. I'm sure they get paid to do these conventions, but not all of the actors do extra stuff beyond appearing on stage, signing autographs, and posing for pictures. In fact, it usually appears that the DS9 cast is well represented at parties and other extra stuff at these conventions. Watching Biggs, Grodenchik, Shimerman, and Combs at the Stratosphere party a few weeks ago, they all seemed to be having a blast and goofing around with each other.

I'm also a little perplexed about the supposed comment Sirtis made about Brooks. I saw a friend's photo op pic with Brooks and the man looked like a huge ball of energy that enjoys people. Perhaps when he gets to work, that's all he wants to focus on, but that would surprise me.
 
No, everyone on the cast of DS9 emphatically did not get along with everyone else. There were, as one cast member put it, "factions." Shimmerman has spoken of it in passing at conventions, and noted that he was glad that the group who played Ferengi did get along and became close friends.
 
I thought Meaney had it written into his contract that he'd have a certain amount of extra time off a year to do a movie or other project...

Yeah, I remember he said once that's one of the things he LIKED about doing DS9 - they always gave him time off when he needed to do other work.
 
No, everyone on the cast of DS9 emphatically did not get along with everyone else. There were, as one cast member put it, "factions." Shimmerman has spoken of it in passing at conventions, and noted that he was glad that the group who played Ferengi did get along and became close friends.

Got a source for this? Not saying if it is or isn't true, but surely something like this was recorded somewhere if true?
 
What I remember Armin Shimerman saying during his first visit to the Denver Star Trek convention was that the DS9 cast was for the most part older, and that created a very different dynamic in how the cast got along.

If you want a source, go to Starland.com and look for a video of it. He said it on stage.
 
For what its worth, I do remember watching an interview with Shimmerman about DS9, and he made a comment that struck me forcibly at the time, simply because it was such a contrast to the whole "we were one big happy family" theme that ran through the previous actor interviews.

I cannot remember his precise words, but it was something along the lines of Terry Farrell was the type of girl who would let you know very quickly when she was unhappy with something you were doing. His tone of voice and his wry smile as he said really gave me the impression that there was a lot more left unsaid.

Every since then I have always been curious to know what were the fault lines running through the cast. My gut feeling is that there had to be some tensions. Shimmermans comments, both in the interview I quoted above and others that posters have mentioned on the thread strongly suggest that to me.

Frankly I would be more surprised if there were not any tensions on set. Its only natural when you get a large group of people together for long periods. From that point of view, I would humbly suggest that TNG is the exception rather than the rule in the context of universal camaraderie.
 
I remember a television interview on the set of DS9--and God, I can't remember where it was from, but I do remember that it was fairly early in the show's run. Avery Brooks was giving an interview in full costume and Colm Meaney (also in full costume) snuck up behind him and surprised him and they both laughed. That might not be saying much, but I thought it showed at least some sort of comraderie among the DS9 cast.

The DS9 cast need not have been as close as the TNG cast for them to still be close, IMO. Professional actors can work extremely well off each other on stage but may not have have much to do with each other off stage. That does not qualify so much as "not getting along" as it does some people having other lives away from the set. It's sort of like how there are people on your job you work well with, but you don't hang with them outside of the job...
 
ISTR it's more a case that the DS9 cast got on fine but former a number of smaller groups (not "factions"!) of friends who socialised off-set rather than one big group who socialised off-set.

And I think IMDB's thing about Farrell dating Dorn is as likely to be a confused remembering that it was Dorn's idea (apparently) to have Dax and Worf get together - ISTR he was said to have pushed for that.

But I don't think they didn't get on. (though I also STR Avery Brooks being reported as a bit annoyed in season 4 that Michael Dorn got paid more than he did, though he was top-billed - because, of course, Dorn had been under Trek contract for longer)
 
I thought that the big "tension" bit was Brooks and Berman. I remember hearing back when the show was just wrapping up that Bernan had said some...less than kind...things about Brooks.

No, I don't have a link, and freely admit it may have just been a rumor.
 
That interview with Shimmerman was interesting, but considering the size of the regular and recurring cast, it's not unforeseeable that there would be cliques in there. You get closer to the people you work with more. So Shimmerman knew Ferengi actors better and those who spent a lot of time in the Make-up Trailer.

And as for the set being less jovial that TNG, each set has it's own dynamics. In TNG, despite being a bunch of jokesters they didn't do gag reels after the 1st season because Sir Patrick Stewart didn't approve of them.

On another note: I remember reading in an interview that Meaney and Siddig are still drinking buddies to this day, but couldn't find a link.
 
Well, first we know that not ALL the TOS actors got along. Takei, Nichols, Koenig - all clearly hated Shatner, so...
Exactly. And they still did 3 seasons of the show and 6 movies together, and even guest starred (minus Doohan - Kelley had already passed away by that time, I think) in a Futurama episode as themselves and poked fun at themselves and their conflicts.

There was nothing even close to that level of conflict in the DS9 cast, and someone is claiming that it would stop them from making a movie together if the opportunity was there? Ridiculous. The only problem with making a DS9 movie is, well, that no studio wants to make it...

ISTR it's more a case that the DS9 cast got on fine but former a number of smaller groups (not "factions"!) of friends who socialised off-set rather than one big group who socialised off-set.
As I said - the impression I get is that people were the closest to the people they worked with the most - or spent time in the makeup room the most - while they simply didn't get to see that much of the people they didn't have that many scenes with. So of course you'll see interviews with actors saying that they just didn't know some of the cast well since they almost never worked together. Keep in mind that most of their time was spent on set, that they needed to devote free time to their families, and that it is a HUGE cast, where even some of the principals didn't often share meaningful scenes together. TNG cast consisted of, what, 7-10 regular actors, who were working together all the time.

That's natural, and it has nothing to do with "factions". Faction is something else, check the meaning of the term. There's a big difference between "We didn't see that much of each other off screen" or "we didn't always get along on some matters" and "I hate him/her and I wouldn't want to work with them again". It's silly how ready people are to jump from one to the other.


And I think IMDB's thing about Farrell dating Dorn is as likely to be a confused remembering that it was Dorn's idea (apparently) to have Dax and Worf get together - ISTR he was said to have pushed for that.
Well, I know that Farrell had been friends with Dorn and Sirtis - she had said so - so she was glad to work with him on DS9. And when a man and a woman who are single are seen socializing, people are often quick to jump to the conclusion that they're dating.

And I really didn't mean to start a "did they or didn't they" discussion. :lol:

I thought that the big "tension" bit was Brooks and Berman. I remember hearing back when the show was just wrapping up that Bernan had said some...less than kind...things about Brooks.

No, I don't have a link, and freely admit it may have just been a rumor.
Berman doesn't seem too popular with a few of both DS9 and VOY cast, but how much was he involved in DS9, anyway? He probably talked to the writers, but I remember I've read somewhere that he hardly ever visited the set.

On another note: I remember reading in an interview that Meaney and Siddig are still drinking buddies to this day, but couldn't find a link.
It's this one:

Siddig is still in touch with some of his Deep Space Nine co-stars. “I love hanging out with Nicky deBoer,” he said. “She is just hilarious; great, great girl. And um if I see Colm Meaney we’ll have a drink and bitch at each other. That’s all we do. I realize looking back at my history with him, I went out with him twice a week every week for seven years – drinking. Boy, he can pack em away.
And speaking of tension, but not personally-driven, some interesting remarks by Visitor:

A May 1996 interview http://nanavision.com/?p=13
Anyone who ever visits the DS9 set knows that Visitor herself isn’t one to stay quiet for long. She’s usually the one laughing the most and the loudest. Her co-stars are pretty much all the same way, sharing laughs with one another during filming, chatting between breaks and doing everything they can to keep the show fresh. “They are all what makes the show a total joy. I’ve never done one job for four years. When you work the amount of hours we do and share the things we share, it’s a hugely close relationship that develops,” she reveals. “It’s wonderful. Also, our guest stars are a part of that. They’ve been so much fun. Louise Fletcher, in person, is very, very funny. She’s a blast. Philip Anglim kept me laughing, too. Duncan Regehr is another one. He’s great. He’s an amazing artist as well. He has a book published and has had some showings. I would love to own one of his paintings some day. Marc Alaimo is an interesting story because of what I was saying before about my scenes with Dukat being difficult for me to do. Marc is the sweetest man in the world. He has had my son Buster and me over at his house and we spent the day with him. He’s delightful, but when he’s on the set, he is Dukat. He’s already in makeup and I can’t see him as anything else. I don’t banter very much with Marc. It’s just something visceral in me that goes right into Kira.”
From someone's report from Novacon convention in April 1997:
Nana used to say that she never liked to work with Mark Aliamo
(Dukat). She always saw him in makeup and just never wanted to be near him
at all because of what his character stood for. There was always tension
between the two of them on the set, lines would be changed. Just before
Thanksgiving last year someone on the set asked Mark if he had any plans for
Thanksgiving and he said "no." Nana then invited him over to her house for
the holiday and said he'd come. Come Thanksgiving he shows up and they have
dinner "and he is sweet and funny and charming and incredible with the
kids... rolling on the floor with Buster." She realized that she hated him
as Dukat and not as a person. After dinner she said she wanted him to come
over again so they could talk and have a good time, but when they met again
on the set later in full make-up, she said this curt "Hello" to him and
ignored him feeling awful -- she couldn't get past what his make-up
represents to the Kira character.
Star Trek Monthly, January 1998 http://nanavision.com/?p=14
That rhythm was evident earlier today, when Visitor and Marc Alaimo squared off in Sisko’s former office. “It was Dukat at his most offensive. Things are heating up very much on the station, and I’m interested myself to see where it’s going to go between the two of us.” That mounting tension is so real, one wonders if Nana Visitor has a hard time separating Marc Alaimo the actor from the evil Cardassian he so wonderfully portrays. “It always has been hard for me,” she confesses. “I’ve found through the seasons that I’ve treated Marc badly, because every time I’ve seen him, he’s made up like a Cardassian, and all the prejudices hit me right away of what my character thinks of Dukat. But this season, probably because things are emotionally very sensitive in the scenes, we’re dealing with more layers than just one. We’ve been fooling around and talking about scenes and actually having more of what we have on weekends than we usually have on the set.”
 
In TNG, despite being a bunch of jokesters they didn't do gag reels after the 1st season because Sir Patrick Stewart didn't approve of them.

*Rick Berman* didn't approve of them - the cast did gags on tape all the bloody time ("I am...Locutus of Borg. Have you ever considered buying a Pontiac?"), but Berman had them wiped before anybody could assemble them into a proper end-of-season reel...
 
ISTR it's more a case that the DS9 cast got on fine but former a number of smaller groups (not "factions"!) of friends who socialised off-set rather than one big group who socialised off-set.
As I said - the impression I get is that people were the closest to the people they worked with the most - or spent time in the makeup room the most - while they simply didn't get to see that much of the people they didn't have that many scenes with. So of course you'll see interviews with actors saying that they just didn't know some of the cast well since they almost never worked together. Keep in mind that most of their time was spent on set, that they needed to devote free time to their families, and that it is a HUGE cast, where even some of the principals didn't often share meaningful scenes together. TNG cast consisted of, what, 7-10 regular actors, who were working together all the time.

That's natural, and it has nothing to do with "factions". Faction is something else, check the meaning of the term. There's a big difference between "We didn't see that much of each other off screen" or "we didn't always get along on some matters" and "I hate him/her and I wouldn't want to work with them again". It's silly how ready people are to jump from one to the other.

Yes, that's exactly my point...
 
In TNG, despite being a bunch of jokesters they didn't do gag reels after the 1st season because Sir Patrick Stewart didn't approve of them.

*Rick Berman* didn't approve of them - the cast did gags on tape all the bloody time ("I am...Locutus of Borg. Have you ever considered buying a Pontiac?"), but Berman had them wiped before anybody could assemble them into a proper end-of-season reel...

It was Berman who disapproved? Really, I had always heard it was Stewart. Interesting.
 
From what I saw of Stewart at the LV convention earlier this month, I would imagine gag reels are right up Stewart's alley. He ambushed Spiner by going up to the fans' Q&A mic and pretending to be a fan while Spiner was answering questions on stage.
 
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