Troi in a miniskirt in the first season

[Therin of Andor]

I always wondered why Troi didn't wear a traditional Star Fleet uniform for the first 6 seasons and why that seemed ok with Star Fleet's dress code.

She was the ship's counselor. Check out the rec deck scene in ST:TMP: crew people in all manner of uniform variations, and some in what might be civvies. Native Americans wore their feathers and beads. The Rhaandarites had hair lengths to their collars, seemingly not regulation Starfleet cuts. Spock and Ilia had collar variations.

In TNG, Worf wears a traditional Klingon sash and Ro wears her earring. That seemed okay with the dress code, too.

Obviously it was felt that crew members might unload their problems more effectively to a counselor in more casual dress. She also cares for the mental health of officers' families.

 

[Lance]

Generations Troi is where it's at:

This.

If we're going into confessional here (ooer!), Marina's appearance in Generations was one of the first times I had... um, "stirrings". Some of that was probably my age at the time of the film's release, but even now I can distinctly remember talking with a friend at the time about how gorgeous I thought she looked, in that film in particular compared to her usual series appearances...

... and I've already said too much, methinks.

 

[Gowron]

The frizzy hair she had in the pilot episode was her natural hair. For the rest of the show, she used hair extensions, except for a few episodes in season 6 where she used her natural hair again (though it looks like it's still permed a bit)...

And yes, she did look good on Voyager...

Amazing pic of her. She looks fantastic in the VOY photo.

 

[ImCaptKirk]

I'm impressed by the OP's maturity.

You mean he was dumb enough to say what you were thinking.

 

[ImCaptKirk]

But is her hotness canon or just something we perceive as the viewers?

Good question. If there's an on-screen reference in dialogue to Troi having amazing legs and tits then it's canon.

Well, not sure about Troi, but her mother does comment on Picard and Riker's legs (she called Picard's "handsome" and Riker's "nice, too"), so that's canon.

Not sure I like the idea of Picard and Riker's legs being mentioned so highly in canon, without any mention of Deanna's legs.

Since this is the official Trek bulletin board, whatever you say here is canon.

 

[sojourner]

This is not the official trek bulletin board, just a reasonable facsimile.

 

[Disruptor]

I thought Troi was cute in THE CHILD.

I came to appreciate her "bun head" first season look. Like some weird Disney Princess stuck on a starship.

As for this:

Reminds me of this:

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I love this look for Troi. She looks mature, refined, contained and beautiful. It's like the producers of Voyager allowed her to be a mature woman while the producers of TNG seemed to want to keep her in a version of the sex kitten role.

And yet she looks so much sexier on VOY..

Voy Troi really knocked my socks off. I would have been a huge Troi fan instead of meh on her if that's what we'd gotten in TNG. This look really shows her to be a beautiful woman.

(and Disruptor--that's hilarious!!!)

 

[RandyS]

But is her hotness canon or just something we perceive as the viewers?

Good question. If there's an on-screen reference in dialogue to Troi having amazing legs and tits then it's canon.

We don't need dialogue. Her legs and tits were onscreen. That makes it canon.

 

[Alrik]

Not to be crass, but this all but speaks for it's self.

 

[ClayinCA]

Not to be crass, but this all but speaks for it's self.

Dude, that's not crass--it's just TRUE.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I don't recognize Troi's season one uniform and legs as canon. The whole season was mined with canon violations, including Worf having the wrong kind of teeth, Data getting drunk, and Picard having just the wrong kind of attitude. The lobes of Mordoc, Letek and Kayron were wrong. The sounds of the turbolifts were wrong. The lights on the bridge were also wrong. And don't get me started on the transporter room. The entirety of Season One was metaphorical, so nothing in it barely classifies as canon. It's safe to say Troi probably didn't wear are skirt, so her legs and tits are not canon. Maybe she had them, maybe she didn't.

 

[Trekker4747]

Not to be crass, but this all but speaks for it's self.

Oh my!

 

[JRS]

Oh my!

Yes, another good reason to have TNG on HD
Though Marina Sirtis did reveal her..eh..curves very nicely in films like Blind Date and The Wicked Lady

Troi was/is a good looking woman,
and I personally liked most of the clothes she was wearing on the show..though she did look great in the regulation uniform.
And I agree that she looked very beautiful on Voyager.
The swimsuit scene had her looking beautiful and sexy, in a very nice way
Its nice to see a positive thread about Troi for once.
I sometimes feel that the character is bashed on quite a lot.
Though, I guess it is because she was not always the best written character on the show, though that did improve a lot in the last few seasons.
I also think Marina Sirtis was a better actress than many ppl say she is. Though I must admit that she came across stronger when Troi was playing a Romulan or was possessed by alien entity..

 

[Therin of Andor]

BTW, I don't really believe miniskirts were a feminist statement in the 1960s. I've been told they were, but I was alive back then and that's never how they seemed to me. (T'Bonz and I have had this very same conversation.) But I was a kid, and perhaps older women had different experiences.

I've heard it from the lips of Grace Lee Whitney herself, who claims to have worked with Theiss on the TOS mini look, after being annoyed about having to pose for her first TOS publicity pics in a pair on trousers originally made for Sally Kellerman in the second pilot.

I'm sure Mary Quant and Jean Shrimpton would say the same: the mini was all about woman reclaiming their femininity. At the same time as baring their legs, this daring escape from conservatism included dispensing with the traditional/compulsory matching hat and gloves, which society had made them wear.

And it began in the late 50s, not the 60s. Check out "Forbidden Planet!"

 

[sbk1234]

I've had the same conversation with Grace Lee Whitney. She was very proud of her legs and the opportunity to show them off.

As for Marina Sirtis, first let me state that she was and still is, an unbelievably beautiful woman. I'll confess to being very attracted to her over the years. That said, I just want to mention that I've had the privilage of meeting her a few times at conventions over the years. She always does the impossible and makes you forget about her looks because she has such an incredible personality. No, in her case that is NOT a metaphor for unattractive. She is intelligent, funny, and very witty.

Now, that all being said, she IS a babe with great legs, and we need more pictures.

 

[Gowron]

Someone post some pics of a younger Troi in a miniskirt bending over please.

Thanks.

 

[JustKate]

BTW, I don't really believe miniskirts were a feminist statement in the 1960s. I've been told they were, but I was alive back then and that's never how they seemed to me. (T'Bonz and I have had this very same conversation.) But I was a kid, and perhaps older women had different experiences.

I've heard it from the lips of Grace Lee Whitney herself, who claims to have worked with Theiss on the TOS mini look, after being annoyed about having to pose for her first TOS publicity pics in a pair on trousers originally made for Sally Kellerman in the second pilot.

I'm sure Mary Quant and Jean Shrimpton would say the same: the mini was all about woman reclaiming their femininity. At the same time as baring their legs, this daring escape from conservatism included dispensing with the traditional/compulsory matching hat and gloves, which society had made them wear.

And it began in the late 50s, not the 60s. Check out "Forbidden Planet!"

I've had the same conversation with Grace Lee Whitney. She was very proud of her legs and the opportunity to show them off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Look, guys, here's the deal: "Reclaiming your femininty" and "showing off your legs" are not the same thing as "empowering." Do you see what I mean?

You hear this all the time - that miniskirts were this major feminist statement - but the fact is (and this is experience talking here) that once the thrill of being able to show off your legs all time wore off, they simply weren't. How can any garment in which you can't bend down to pick up a pencil or take a walk in the breeze without showing your underwear be "empowering"?

Pants were much, much, much more empowering - again, this is experience talking since when I grew up girls weren't allowed to wear slacks to school. If you can imagine. Pants weren't necessarily sexy, but they were almost infinitely more empowering, and if Grace Lee Whitney had been a girl in the 1960s rather than a woman, she would have agreed.

Edit: For that matter, if she'd had a job in which showing your legs got in the way of doing that job properly - say, that of a working officer aboard a ship - she might have felt differently, too. All I'm asking is that the next time you hear that "miniskirts were a feminist statement" or "were empowering" stuff, take it with at least a teeny grain of salt. There's more than one kind of statement - and more than one kind of power, too. If Trek had been interested in showing women being equal to men, they would have put them in something practical, and trust me, whatever miniskirts are, "practical" ain't it. But they wanted the women to look sexyand the women wanted to look sexy, both of which are perfectly fine, I just wish they'd not try to camouflauge this perfectly natural desire with PC goofiness.

 

[T'Girl]

Do you see what I mean?

No, not at all.

When I first stated wearing miniskirts in public in my early twenties, it was a very empowering personal experience. Mini's can be a statement that you are no longer under the control of an other, or of a society, or a cultural expectation to be who you are not.

 

[JustKate]

^ As I said, there's more than one kind of statement and more than one kind of power. I am sure your experience isn't unique, T'Girl - but I can assure you that mine isn't unique, either. Besides, maybe it wasn't as windy where you grew up?

Also, I think it's significant that you were in your 20s. What's empowering when you're a woman isn't necessarily the same thing as what's empowering when you're 12, 13, 14 years old. When I was a teenager, miniskirts were de rigueure - everybody but the Mormon girls wore them, and some of them did, too, when their moms weren't around. There's nothing personally empowering about following fashion.