Trek XII Will NOT Be A Remake

[M-Red]

excellent decision not to go down that rabbit hole.


the Khan saga rightly belongs to RM and the TOS crew. it's good like it is...just leave it alone.


Agree w/ those who say XII will be tough to meet expectations for them. They definitely need to add some depth to the characters and relationships. I like the idea of it being set several years later too....

 

[Dusty Ayres]

Roddenberry was the one who objected to TAS, if anyone did.

So then why did he approve its making?

 

[Franklin]

Roddenberry was the one who objected to TAS, if anyone did.

I may be wrong, but I thought he actually supported the idea of an animated series as long as it was done with high quality and the stories had an adult audience in mind. He also wanted complete creative control.
The problem was costs and time constraints reduced the quality of the animation, and the older audience for the stories wasn't there.
In order to save the animated series, Filmation asked to buy the rights to turn it into a cartoon meant for kids. Roddenberry did oppose that idea (particualry losing creative control), and turned them down.

When the idea for TAS came up, Roddenberry thought it may be the only way to get Star Trek on TV again. Later in life, he did say that if he had known Star Trek would be done in live-action again, he wouldn't have allowed TAS.

Overall, TAS did win an Emmy, and although Roddenberry did back away from it as part of Trek lore, he also said that within the limits of how it had to be done, it was a pretty good piece of work.

 

[Devon]

Roddenberry was the one who objected to TAS, if anyone did.

So then why did he approve its making?

$$$$$$ and nothing more.

 

[Franklin]

Roddenberry was the one who objected to TAS, if anyone did.

So then why did he approve its making?

$$$$$$ and nothing more.

That's rather cynical. There was money to be made, of course. People have to make a living. But Filmation approached him with the idea. It's not like Roddenberry was selling the idea around town or looking for the highest bidder.
Further, if it were only about money, he wouldn't have cared so much about having complete creative control and getting D.C. Fontana to produce it. He also wouldn't have refused to sell the rights after Filmation wanted to turn it into a cartoon aimed solely at kids.

Sorry, getting way off topic here. But TAS was not just a throwaway series. And it wasn't just a chance to make a buck by throwing anything onto TV, quality-be-damned. That's revisionist thinking.

 

[Devon]

That's rather cynical. There was money to be made, of course. People have to make a living. But Filmation approached him with the idea. It's not like Roddenberry was selling the idea around town or looking for the highest bidder.
Further, if it were only about money, he wouldn't have cared so much about having complete creative control and getting D.C. Fontana to produce it. He also wouldn't have refused to sell the rights after Filmation wanted to turn it into a cartoon aimed solely at kids.

Yeah, it was just for the money. All of what he is perceived to have done for "the good of the animated series" didn't do any good when he wanted to pretend it didn't exist after he had a more steady income down the road.

 

[Sector 7]

So then why did he approve its making?

$$$$$$ and nothing more.

That's rather cynical. There was money to be made, of course. People have to make a living. But Filmation approached him with the idea. It's not like Roddenberry was selling the idea around town or looking for the highest bidder.
Further, if it were only about money, he wouldn't have cared so much about having complete creative control and getting D.C. Fontana to produce it. He also wouldn't have refused to sell the rights after Filmation wanted to turn it into a cartoon aimed solely at kids.

Sorry, getting way off topic here. But TAS was not just a throwaway series. And it wasn't just a chance to make a buck by throwing anything onto TV, quality-be-damned. That's revisionist thinking.

Revisionist thinking is that GR was god-like and pure-of-heart. The man loved money and Star Trek made money. There is nothing wrong with that, but one needs to realize the real motivation was not always pure. For example, the man wrote silly words to the show's theme song just to make a buck.

 

[Franklin]

To be sure, Roddenberry was hardly pure of heart. I'd tend to doubt his integrity where money was concerned. IDIC pin, anyone? But he did insist on making TAS on his terms and in the end turned down a chance to sell the cartoon's rights to Filmation because they were going to turn it into a kiddie show. So he did have at least some line he wouldn't cross. Of course, not having Trek associated with a kiddie show also kept it more marketable as serious live-action science fiction. So maybe there was a long-term financial motive involved.

Still, I don't recall ever reading anything where he disparaged TAS. I don't think decanonizing it counts as walking away from it, because there were actually good reasons for doing that as Trek went back to live-action. First, the premises of some of the stories were too fanciful or unbelievable outside the milieu of cartoons. For example, if Robert April is canon, then so is the idea a universe can exist where space is white, stars are black, and people are born elderly and die infants. Second, it would've been impossible to replicate the types and scope of aliens and alien worlds seen in TAS. Better to say they just didn't exist.

I don't know. I'm not trying to be argumentative or naive in my assumptions. I guess 20-inch snowfalls always make me overthink things.

 

[Rackon]

No Khan.

NO BORG.

No revenge.



PLEASE

 

[RoJoHen]

No Khan.

NO BORG.

No revenge.



PLEASE

How about Khan gets assimilated by the Borg...and then plots revenge...

 

[ALF]

Starting to worry they are going to mix Q into the equation... alternate universe and all, Q could look like Sara Palin.

 

[startrekrcks]

No I think let the crew explore new worlds and have new stories that's what I would like to see

 

[Johnnymuffintop]

I know what I DON'T want to see: Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman in the credits of the film.
Yes, they did an OK job for the first one, mostly because they had a trekkie third wheel guiding their hands. But for the squeal, I wanna see something original, which is something Orci and Kurtzman can't do very well.

My vote for writer (at least one of them): RUSSEL T. DAVIES!!!

 

[startrekrcks]

why is it because they are mediocre writers

 

[Drewmax]

Thank goodness it doesn't look like XII will be a remake. Phew, I would hate to estimate that the writers are so petty that all they could conjure up would be to do a TOS remake. I think it's a golden opportunity to have a brave bold new experience for the crew. Let's not have a generic villain, let's have a mysterious new discover in space, something epic like V'ger or going to the heart of the universe ala Final Frontier.

 

[Devon]

mostly because they had a trekkie third wheel guiding their hands.

Orci IS a Trekkie.

But for the squeal,

Cover your ears.

 

[ALF]

mostly because they had a trekkie third wheel guiding their hands.

Orci IS a Trekkie.

But for the squeal,

Cover your ears.

I came to this thread to read posts... I ended up LOLing.

EDIT: Re: the squeal.

 

[M'Sharak]

mostly because they had a trekkie third wheel guiding their hands.

Orci IS a Trekkie.

So is Kurtzman, really, and I'm not sure who that leaves as a third wheel.

But for the squeal,

Cover your ears.

I came to this thread to read posts... I ended up LOLing.

EDIT: Re: the squeal.

Yeah, the squeal was good for a chuckle.

 

[Johnnymuffintop]

Hey, I was running on 27 hours without sleep. Something had to give.

 

[startrekrcks]

How about a deeper story that has a moral or message I think that would be interesting and great.