Trek authors - Kirk and Spock's first meetings(s)

[F. King Daniel]

We knew nothing officially about Kirk Prime's father until XI and even then all we found out was his name and that he was on the Kelvin.

There's a little more than that in there if you pay close attention. Name, rank, position, married, father's name, a bit about his character etc.

A lack of a father IS a Daddy issue.

True, but all of the other Kirks had "daddy issues" of a different kind too. I don't think there's ever been a happy Kirk family in Treklit (although I've yet to read DRGIII's Cruicible: Kirk)

 

[Ronald Held]

More understandable if the ST XI universe was different from the Prime before the incursions of Nero.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

True, but all of the other Kirks had "daddy issues" of a different kind too. I don't think there's ever been a happy Kirk family in Treklit (although I've yet to read DRGIII's Cruicible: Kirk)

IIRC, the Kirk of The Star To Every Wandering was orphaned at an early age and was more or less a self-made man.

But yeah, Trek in general has gone to the "conflict with family member" well a bit too much.

 

[David cgc]

Here's all the "first meetings" I can think of from the novels:

Collision Course
As teenagers (Kirk's 17, IIRC) they meet in the back of a police car shortly before enlisting in Starfleet. Yes, they're both arrested. It's the Shatnerverse.

Cadet Kirk
A Starfleet Academy YA novel, Cadet Kirk has to shuttle cadets Spock and McCoy some place or other.

Enterprise: The First Adventure
Kirk and Spock meet when Kirk is assigned to the Enterprise as captain. This is the assumption used in most TOS novels.

There wasn't actually a meeting, but the section of "War Dragons" that took place in between "Where No Man" and "Corbomite" begins with Kirk in a meeting with Spock and thinking about how much this new guy is really pissing him off, trying to replace his best friend. It's also one of the novels that assumes Gary Mitchell was the first officer before his accident.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Further, Kirk was on the command track, while Spock had no interest in command, so probably not a lot of overlap there. The fact that Spock never took the KM test speaks volumes on that front (and no, the angle that he never took it because he wrote it doesn't work; any decent programmer would run the thing several times himself just to make sure the damn thing works).

I'm not sure how the "track" thing works at a Military Academy. But in college, my girlfriend ( who was pre-vet) and myself ( an art major) were in several classes together. And the various general education and elective classes were filled with students from different "tracks". I even formed friendships with one or two.

 

[Captain Robert April]

More understandable if the ST XI universe was different from the Prime before the incursions of Nero.

Like, say, around the time of the Temporal Cold War...

 

[pookha]

i could see spock being on temp assignment back to the academy after the cage incident.
really i could see enterpise being bought back after that for refit as a quiet investigation goes on.

really we dont have a clue one way or another if spock at some time might have left enterprise for awhile and then came back.

as for piper it is possible bones was off on some special mission and was already chief medical officer.
in one of the earliest episodes Corbomite Maneuver jim and bones seem to have known each other for a very time .

i could see spock and kirk meeting each other earlier but not getting close until tos.

this from where no man has gone before is interesting..

DEHNER: I know those from your planet aren't suppose to have feelings like we do, Mister Spock, but to talk that way about a man you've worked next to for years is worse than
KIRK: That's enough, Doctor.

which certainly implies mitchell has been on enterprise for awhile and perhaps kirk and spock could have met previously through him.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

this from where no man has gone before is interesting..

DEHNER: I know those from your planet aren't suppose to have feelings like we do, Mister Spock, but to talk that way about a man you've worked next to for years is worse than
KIRK: That's enough, Doctor.

which certainly implies mitchell has been on enterprise for awhile and perhaps kirk and spock could have met previously through him.

Oh, that would be a really neat way to play it. I like the irony of Kirk's best friend introducing him to the man who becomes his replacement.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Kirk wasn't a skirt chaser at the Academy. he was a 'walking stack of books' cf Gary Mitchell, WNMHGB

And all of them porn.

 

[Ronald Held]

That has to be a joke, Therin. I suspect while learning, he was completely focused on his academic studies.

 

[Kelso]

Kirk wasn't so busy with books that he couldn't make time for Janice, Ruth, and that unnamed lab tech. And he wasn't so driven in his career that he couldn't squeeze in a little time for Janet, Areel, and Carol. And those are just the ones we know about, the dude couldn't drop by a Starbase without running into an old flame or a friend of an old flame. Judging by McCoy's comment to Areel in "Court Martial," it was a fairy regular occurrence.

Kirkprime chased plenty of tail in his younger days.

 

[Admiral_Young]

We don't know how long those relationships lasted...they must have been a significant period of time though during his four years or else he wouldn't have as affectionate memories of those women. No doubt that Jim was a womanizer in the TOS timeline but I'm thinking not to the degree that he seemed to be in the JJ verse.

 

[Sky]

Kirk wasn't so busy with books that he couldn't make time for Janice, Ruth, and that unnamed lab tech. And he wasn't so driven in his career that he couldn't squeeze in a little time for Janet, Areel, and Carol.

Somewhat off topic, but I like to think that the unnamed lab tech was Carol.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^IIRC she was in the comics, but not the novels.

 

[Christopher]

^Not sure about "in the novels," plural. IIRC, there was one recent novel, Inception, that treated the "blonde lab tech" and Carol as two different people, but that was a standalone with no evident ties to the overall book continuity, and there may be other, earlier young-Kirk novels around that say otherwise, though I don't recall.

 

[Ronald Held]

I believe cadet Kirk could work hard and play hard, but not that any dalliences would have deflected him from his academy goals.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I believe cadet Kirk could work hard and play hard, but not that any dalliences would have deflected him from his academy goals.

You gotta multi-task!

 

[Admiral_Young]

I don't really think that Jim would risk anything doing from his academic achievements along with his overall goal of becoming a Starfleet officer. He was always career orientated so the thought of settling down with someone probably never even entered into the equation.

 

[Captain Robert April]

^ And when it did enter in, he chose Starfleet.

 

[ClayinCA]

I don't really think that Jim would risk anything doing from his academic achievements along with his overall goal of becoming a Starfleet officer. He was always career orientated so the thought of settling down with someone probably never even entered into the equation.

It must have "entered into the equation" at least a little bit; in "Where No Man," he says of the "little blonde lab tech" that he "almost married her," and says it with such heat that he's probably not exaggerating. From that it would appear that he at least seriously considered settling down with somebody while at the Academy.