Well, I'd say it enhances the 'viewing experience' for me, not the story.
I understand nostalgia well; I would, for example, reject a colourized version of Lost In Space's first season!
Agreement!!!
TOS original or Remastered, which is canon?
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Well, one factor that established Trek fans often overlook is that we're not the only audience for something like this, nor should we be. The popularity of ST is not what it once was. If we want to bring in new fans to TOS, giving them snazzy new effects is a way to grab their attention and maybe overcome their preconceptions about old TV shows. And then they'd get to see the stories and performances, which are the same as ever, uncompromised by the cosmetic changes.
Wow.
BTW, how did that "Colossus" Project work out for you, Forbin?
Or am I now addressing the computer directly?
I understand the argument and acknowledge it has validity. But, honestly, fuck them. I was an adult before I could get past the b&w barrier, and older still before I could enjoy a silent movie.
If people need snazzy new effects to appreciate TOS, then they aren't ready to appreciate TOS.
So... fuck em.
Wasn't it Diane Duane who talked about the silliness of assigning various levels of reality to a fictional universe?
Apparently, a placecard saying: "Effect Missing" for every FX shot wouldn't hurt the viewing experience for you either.
Do you not see that questionable FX are a DISTRACTION for a show of this caliber, especially in this day & age??
Ahhhhh, I give up. Old fogeys, stick EXCLUSIVELY to your dated stuff & stay in your comfort zone; I'll enjoy the new pretty OR the classic opticals as the mood strikes me!
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I feel like maybe it's time to discuss Cannon Violation in the Bible...
*runs away quickly*
Do You not see that this is just your (and others') opinion? To YOU the old FX are a distraction, to others they are not.
Just because you prefer the new FX doesn't "prove" that your opinion is somehow more valid than anyone else's.
But that's exactly the point. To many viewers today -- especially those who are the target audience for a high-definition home video release -- 1960s TV visual effects would tend to be seen as distracting or unsatisfying. So if you want to create a version of TOS that can appeal to that target audience, rather than just catering to the established fanbase, it makes sense to create a version that gets around that perception, that helps open the series up to a new audience that might've rejected it otherwise. I don't see why that's anything to complain about. The original FX haven't been erased from existence. They're still there on the BluRay release alongside the alternate versions. So why begrudge the existence of the alternate versions if they can help make the show appealing to a bigger audience?
I realize that I should have said, "...CAN be a distraction."
And my opinion IS move valid than anyone else's!!!
To Me, anyway.
Like Christopher said above, (paraphrasing a bit here) it's all good.
I feel like maybe it's time to discuss Cannon Violation in the Bible...
*runs away quickly*
Sometimes I want to blow up the canon with a cannon. A cannon bigger then all of Star Trek canon.
Anyway, I think the world is big enough for both the original and new versions, especially since both are on the BluRay versions. Canon to me is important to an extent, but at the same time I think they'd be fools not to take advantage of the new tech out there and give Trek a 21st century makeover. Star Trek needs new fans to survive. I don't think some people realize how close we where to losing Star Trek... at least for a generation or so.
Yep.
They're different versions of the same stories.
Both versions are canon.
Trek canon can and does contradict itself. It always has.
Both versions are canon.
Trek canon can and does contradict itself. It always has.
reimagined is a naughty word for TOS specifically and Trek in general
"Canon" just means "this is the officially recognized record." Doesn't say a thing about how consistent it is. Making it all make sense is for dopes like us with too much free time on our hands.
As far as how much credence to give to TOS-R, well, Bob Justman saw at least some of the newly polished episodes before his passing and gave it his unqualified blessing, going so far as to say that this is what the original show should've looked like (so much for creator's intent being embodied by TOS Unexpurgated).
As for how the Concordance is gonna handle it, my money is on TOS-R being the preferred version, but that's just my hired-hand opinion, easily overruled. I also expected the new movie to be included, but I was surprised (albeit happily) by how that one turned out.
As far as how much credence to give to TOS-R, well, Bob Justman saw at least some of the newly polished episodes before his passing and gave it his unqualified blessing, going so far as to say that this is what the original show should've looked like (so much for creator's intent being embodied by TOS Unexpurgated).
As for how the Concordance is gonna handle it, my money is on TOS-R being the preferred version, but that's just my hired-hand opinion, easily overruled. I also expected the new movie to be included, but I was surprised (albeit happily) by how that one turned out.
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I can't really see why both can't be "canon."
The new effects change the story/character development how??
If anything, some of the new effects clarify the story by showing things that weren't seen onscreen before.
There isn't a convincing argument for why the new FX aren't canon, so this thread is basically an Old FX vs. NuFX debate, the same one that's been on since this project was announced. People love it or hate it based on their own subjective view of Star Trek. The NuFx haven't replaced the old ones. You can still see it on BR, DVD, and video and when they show it on TV. There's no reason it can't be canon to have a better defined view of the Enterprise orbiting a planet, or leaving a starbase or firing at another ship.
This is just another opportunity for the bashers to piss and moan and for others to try and defend something they enjoy. Enjoying the nu-fx doesn't take anything away from the original show. In fact it has given people another new reason to watch.
Why is that such a bad thing?
The new effects change the story/character development how??
If anything, some of the new effects clarify the story by showing things that weren't seen onscreen before.
There isn't a convincing argument for why the new FX aren't canon, so this thread is basically an Old FX vs. NuFX debate, the same one that's been on since this project was announced. People love it or hate it based on their own subjective view of Star Trek. The NuFx haven't replaced the old ones. You can still see it on BR, DVD, and video and when they show it on TV. There's no reason it can't be canon to have a better defined view of the Enterprise orbiting a planet, or leaving a starbase or firing at another ship.
This is just another opportunity for the bashers to piss and moan and for others to try and defend something they enjoy. Enjoying the nu-fx doesn't take anything away from the original show. In fact it has given people another new reason to watch.
Why is that such a bad thing?
Exactly. The only changes are in how some things are depicted visually. A couple of ships have a different shape, a few structures are given original designs instead of having old matte paintings fill in for them, a number of planets are depicted more realistically and less repetitively, and otherwise it's mostly a matter of clarification. But they're still the same ships, the same planets, the same places. They're just being shown to us differently. Which is no different than recasting an actor. Honestly, I don't recall ever hearing anyone start a debate about whether Kirstie Alley or Robin Curtis was the canonical Saavik. (Although there was a person who raised a huge fuss over on the Lit board when a few books described 24th-century phaser beams as blue instead of red, so I guess you never know.)
Quiet Colossus, or I'll get Kirk. And you know what THAT means!Oh, Kirstie is the canon Saavik, without question!
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