TOS original or Remastered, which is canon?
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Is that a word?
It hasn't nor should it be; the original version is History, and should be (and indeed is) available as such.
IDIC, my Scottish friend!
Laugh at me if you want. It doesn't matter what they may have originally envisioned. It matters what they were able to do with what they had at hand within the amount of time available. And thus they knew what they could accomplish and what the end result would look like. And that's what got onto film and broadcast and is the original version of the series.
Not YOU, Warped, what you're saying.
It matters a great deal. Have you never started a project of some kind, and been the least bit disappointed at the difference between what you'd set out to do VS. the final product??
Nonsense. FX is not a science, it's an art. Limit the time & available resources, and any art can come short of the artist's intentions.
I painted an Enterprise in an art class once- I still have it; I love it. But it's not all that I wanted it to be. What I can do now blows that painting away, but old or new, it's all good.
Embrace all as one, my friend. Old or new version, the classic lines of Enterprise are glorious. Personal choice lives on.
I NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED OPTICAL DROP-OUT.
Up there with some from Logan's Run & Beneath The Planet Of The Apes!
No such thing. It's all in fun.
Will Trek fans ever learn what "remastered" actually means?
There is no difference between "original" (whatever that means) and "remastered." The remastered is the original -- just remastered.
What you're talking about are the new special FX, which is the only thing on remastered Star Trek that hasn't been remastered.
I know I'm fighting a losing battle, but there it is...
I don't think I've seen a single thread here in the last year or so with "Star Trek remastered" in the thread title that actually had anyuthing to do with the new transfer.
There is no difference between "original" (whatever that means) and "remastered." The remastered is the original -- just remastered.
What you're talking about are the new special FX, which is the only thing on remastered Star Trek that hasn't been remastered.
I know I'm fighting a losing battle, but there it is...
I don't think I've seen a single thread here in the last year or so with "Star Trek remastered" in the thread title that actually had anyuthing to do with the new transfer.
They can't both be canon, look at where the remastering team completely threw out the original conceived ideas and shots, the scenery such as Dagger of the Mind, space ships such as Spock's Brain and the planet changes in various episodes. It conflicts with each other, I hate to see Memory Alpha taking sides, the website clearly favours TOS-R and merely renders the original effects footage to background trivia. I despise the originally produced effects being replaced in such a drastic way, I wish the remastering team didn't take liberties, they were meant to be respecting the designs of the show and yet they Lucas it up at times, ''Oh look an extra jawa in the foreground''. My point being that once upon a time the original show was canon now with all this tinkering the remastering seems to be the ''ultimate'' viewing of TOS as it's branded.
Canon is all filmed Trek approved by CBS/Paramount. If you're talking about continuity, then explain how the changes altered the stories or characters.
It goes on for five pages, but you get the picture...
Again you're making the fundamental mistake of assuming "canon" means something with no contradictions. The canon is full of contradictions. Saavik's appearance. Cochrane's appearance. Tora Ziyal's appearance. The appearance from orbit of Earth, Vulcan, and numerous other planets. The appearance of the Enterprise depending on whether pilot footage or series footage was in use. The appearance of the Enterprise-D depending on whether the 6-foot model or the 4-foot model was in use. Heck, Ex Astris Scientia has a whole index of articles covering the inconsistencies within the canon, many of which go far deeper than a superficial difference in the way a person, place, or vessel is portrayed visually.
A canon is a collective body of multiple works created over a span of time. By the very nature of such a beast, it will contain internal contradictions, whether by mistake or by deliberate revisionism on the part of the creators. This is true of any canon.
Then an official novelization or comic book adaption couldn't be considered "cannon" either, due to differences or complete lack of precisely reproduced visuals, eh?
Am I the only one that's highly entertained by the innate silliness in the subtext of this thread?
^I'm more sad than entertained. It's sad that some people think they need authorization from some higher power to tell them what parts of a fictional universe to treat as "real." I've never had trouble applying my own imagination and judgment to decide for myself.
Some peeps need to be told what to respect, I guess.
To me, "cannon" is a large device that goes BOOM!
The Trek Universe is an insanely & extensively laid out buffet table; pick what you like.
Or is that to individualistic a thing to say?
NOVELTY??? LOL, for the first time in a LONG time I am watching these eps OVER & OVER!!! I've seen Doomsday Machine maybe 15 times since I purchased the new set!!!
Novelty my Andorian BUTT!!!
EVERY time I see ANY shot of Enterprise I gasp!!! TOS-R with new FX is WHY I got my Art Asylum/Diamond E & spent two weeks re-painting it!! It's WHY my Son & I are reading John Byrne Trek comics!! It's WHY we built the Polar Lights model together!!!
Show me my FAVOURITE spaceship of ALL-TIME in crystal clarity while watching my beloved Trek stories that I've grown up with, and tell me it's somehow "novelty???"
Sorry, but that's laughable.
^^^See? There's proof.
Again Im not saying the new effects arent nice. They are. By novelty I mean it doesnt enhance the story for me.(im sure it does for many) I just prefer to watch them the way I did as a kid. The story comes across just as well with the old effects as new. If I ever get the blu ray set Im sure I will watch the newer versions every so often.
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