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TOS original or Remastered, which is canon?

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I prefer TOS-WTFITBDOTNFX (TOS-WTF Is The Big Deal Over The New Effects?).
Nah, they all have waaaayyyy too many letters to remember. I'll stick with TOS-R.

FTW!!!:techman:

Thanks, Mike Okuda and team for the revamped special effects.

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You've confused me. What is FTW?
It took me quite a long time to learn even the few abbreviations I have.
F -For
T -The
W -Win
FTW = I agreed with what you said, even though I actually prefer TOS-R over the original effects.

Ah, gotcha.:bolian:
 
^^ Yes, you're right that the sound f/x was added prior to the TOS-R. And I've hated it ever since.

I thought that was always the sound effect for that episode (they got it wrong even then). I don't recall it ever being different, and I've been watching since 1971.
 
^^ Yes, you're right that the sound f/x was added prior to the TOS-R. And I've hated it ever since.

I thought that was always the sound effect for that episode (they got it wrong even then). I don't recall it ever being different, and I've been watching since 1971.

Nope, these were added for DVD, along with a lot of other sounds. The old VHS tapes and laserdisc copies do not have the torpedo sound. I remember when I first saw the episode on DVD, the added effect jumped out at me.

As I recall, that change was made for a home video release in the '90s. Though it's odd that this new edition kept it.

Most of the "enhanced" sound effects stuck with the new editions. The Menagerie Part 2, for example, has had music substitutions for most of the fade ins. The original music was replaced by re-recordings from the Varese Sarabande album by Fred Steiner, while the act 1 fade in has music from The Doomsday Machine. Even on the Blue-Rays, but you can switch the mono and hear the original mix.

Also, the DVD releases added the exterior rocket rumble for the outside shots of the Enterprise in most episodes where they we not used. This includes the second and third season episodes, which (aside from the swish in warp) had the enterprise travel without sound effects. Even the "broadcast mono" track on the Blu-Rays keep the rocket sound, where the prints on the VHS and laserdisc episodes do not. Which, of course, means the 2nd and 3rd season BD sets do not have the "original broadcast" sound mix. Very happy I kept the lasers...
 
The rumble of the ship passing by I can live with because it was present in 1st season and so adding it to later episodes merely made it all more consistent. I see it as the audio equivalent of making certain the series production version of the ship is used throughout the series except for "The Cage" and WNMHGB.

But I generally dislike the shuttlecraft in TOS-R, particularly the hangar deck scenes. It may be more polished, but for me it feels all wrong and I much prefer the way it was shown in the original footage.
 
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It's sort of ironic that the original VFX of "The Doomsday Machine" utilized an AMT model kit due to time and money constraints... and the remastered VFX did not recreate the model kit due to time and money constraints. :)

But recreating the AMT model would have been an incredibly stupid and pointless thing for them to do, even if they had the time and money. The inaccuracies of the AMT model were not what the creators of the original episode intended. The intention was that the Constellation was the exact same type of ship as the Enterprise. The fact that the model kit didn't faithfully represent the filming model wasn't their fault, and they certainly didn't expect the kind of scrutiny that future fans gave it.
 
^^ Yes, you're right that the sound f/x was added prior to the TOS-R. And I've hated it ever since.
Wasn't the sound of the ship rumbling through space also added in the 90s where it used to be silent in the third season? Maybe the second season, too.

EDIT: Never mind. I should have read through the rest of the thread.
 
But I generally dislike the shuttlecraft in TOS-R, particularly the hangar deck scenes. It may be more polished, but for me it feels all wrong and I much prefer the way it was shown in the original footage.

Ditto here. For me I thought the original launch/landing with the 3 guide rails made a whole lot more safety sense given how tight the flight deck is with the obs level stuff sticking out. The new "lift-off" and go and landing scenes in the new FX while nifty just throws safety out the door, IMHO.
 
^What guide rails?

You can see them in certain angles from TOS (and also the close-ups of the flight deck opening)... Granted, they're really to move the physical model, but it looks like it would make sense from a safety POV :)

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This idea looks like it is re-used in TMP... By TMP, the flight deck doesn't have those obs deck balconies sticking out at the opening, so the launch/landing rails don't seem to be as much of a necessity (and they're using tractor beams as well.)

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^^And I think also the rails would help get the shuttle out safely even if the Enterprise was doing some maneuvering...
 
It's sort of ironic that the original VFX of "The Doomsday Machine" utilized an AMT model kit due to time and money constraints... and the remastered VFX did not recreate the model kit due to time and money constraints. :)

But recreating the AMT model would have been an incredibly stupid and pointless thing for them to do, even if they had the time and money. The inaccuracies of the AMT model were not what the creators of the original episode intended. The intention was that the Constellation was the exact same type of ship as the Enterprise. The fact that the model kit didn't faithfully represent the filming model wasn't their fault, and they certainly didn't expect the kind of scrutiny that future fans gave it.

HOWEVER, the slightly blockier contours of the AMT model play rather nicely into the concept that the Constellation is a slightly older class of starship, thus explaining the registry of 1017.

Making the ship identical to the Enterprise, though, just lands us right back on square one on that matter.
 
HOWEVER, the slightly blockier contours of the AMT model play rather nicely into the concept that the Constellation is a slightly older class of starship, thus explaining the registry of 1017.

Making the ship identical to the Enterprise, though, just lands us right back on square one on that matter.

No, it really doesn't. Nice fan wank though.
 
As an old time Trekkie, I prefer the updated TOS. As stated, it changes nothing as far as canon is concerned, just made to appear more modern & less clunky.
 
As an old time Trekkie, I prefer the updated TOS. As stated, it changes nothing as far as canon is concerned, just made to appear more modern & less clunky.
Yes, and what seemingly needs to be stated again and again, the original FX are still there on the blurays. So there's no issue.

As a purist, I prefer the old FX, but I watch the eps with new FX too. It's like watching kinda-new Trek.
 
I think that the original effects represent, not the ideal intent of their creators, but their best approximation of what they hoped to achieve. I think the new FX shots are generally true to the intent and style of the originals, just taking them farther in terms of realism and detail and averting the reuse of stock footage to represent new ships or locations.

And as an old-time Trekkie, I loved getting to see new shots and angles of the gorgeous original Enterprise, as well as getting to see new ships from the period or to see designs established elsewhere (ShiKahr, the TAS cargo ship, and the Vanguard-style starbase) incorporated into the show. It makes the universe feel fuller and richer.

And I loved how they depicted Murasaki 312 in "The Galileo Seven," because it made sense of the "quasar" description from the episode. At the time, people didn't really know what -- or where -- quasars were, so it wasn't too incongruous then, but we subsequently figured out that they're active black holes in the cores of very distant galaxies, making the idea of the Enterprise surveying a quasar sound quite silly. But there's a more recent concept called a microquasar, which is a normal-size black hole with radio jets and an accretion disk, like a smaller version of the galactic-core quasars. And the TOS-R team chose to depict Murasaki 312 as just such an object, while still maintaining the shape and color of the original green-cloud effect. So they stayed true to the aesthetics of the original while making it far more scientifically plausible, and that's an awesome bit of legerdemain.
 
HOWEVER, the slightly blockier contours of the AMT model play rather nicely into the concept that the Constellation is a slightly older class of starship, thus explaining the registry of 1017.

Making the ship identical to the Enterprise, though, just lands us right back on square one on that matter.

No, it really doesn't. Nice fan wank though.

Yes, it really does. Thanks for playing, though.
 
HOWEVER, the slightly blockier contours of the AMT model play rather nicely into the concept that the Constellation is a slightly older class of starship, thus explaining the registry of 1017.

Making the ship identical to the Enterprise, though, just lands us right back on square one on that matter.

No, it really doesn't. Nice fan wank though.

Yes, it really does. Thanks for playing, though.

Not really.. Not to the 99% of the rest of fandom.

I'm glad they didn't try to make the Constellation look like the AMT model. I do see your point about making the ship look "older" to justify the registration number, but there have been many other theories about this that could preclude the possibility of a difference in ship design.

With all the other effects shots in this particular episode, redesigning the Constellation seems like a pretty trivial pursuit.
 
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