Because Lore was a nutjob due to his programming not fully integrating properly. His emotions program turned and twisted, as Soong put it, into something he didn't predict.
Data was stable and an honorable member of Starfleet.
(And Starfleet was not right in letting Maddox get as far as he did in trying to order Data to his research.)
Nobody there is even thinking about Maddox, when they rid themselves of Lore. As far as everyone is concerned, they seem to just be glad to be well rid of him. I doubt they even kept track of him after the fact, even though imho they should've, because they should've known beaming him into space in no way eradicates him permanently. They're setting a dangerous entity adrift. God help those unfortunate Pakleds who came across him. Who knows what tragedy befell them, as a result?
Besides, if you're trying to duplicate Soong's work, are you really content to be using the defective one as your template? lol
Since Lore was already in bits when he was found, disassembling him seems fair game.
Definitely a benefit in removing a rather dangerous space hazard....although...was Lore or the pakleds he eliminated a bigger hazard?
I frequently have to work on crap prototypes...sure most of them try to kill me...but it's the best way to figure out how to fix the machine overall.
Definitely a benefit in removing a rather dangerous space hazard....although...was Lore or the pakleds he eliminated a bigger hazard?
I frequently have to work on crap prototypes...sure most of them try to kill me...but it's the best way to figure out how to fix the machine overall.
"Contagion" 3 points...
Was Captain Varley just self deluded or have some sort of blind spot about the Iconians that he didn't think the probe was the cause of the ship failures?
There's also debate about the virus' intent. Given how it seemed to protect itself (going after Geordi) and was taking actions that would wipe out an orbital threat (which the iconians were under at the time the probes were in use)...it seems pretty daft not to assume that virus is trying to kill you....Starfleet being a tad naive?
...anyone know if this episode was inspiration for stargate?
Was Captain Varley just self deluded or have some sort of blind spot about the Iconians that he didn't think the probe was the cause of the ship failures?
There's also debate about the virus' intent. Given how it seemed to protect itself (going after Geordi) and was taking actions that would wipe out an orbital threat (which the iconians were under at the time the probes were in use)...it seems pretty daft not to assume that virus is trying to kill you....Starfleet being a tad naive?
...anyone know if this episode was inspiration for stargate?
I think it was more Picard who was thinking the probe's program wasn't trying to kill on purpose. Though to be fair, considering it didn't blow up the Yamato earlier, it at least gives his theory that it wasn't deliberate pause to consider.
Regarding Varley... that was his first big error in judgment, but not his last. Not accepting Picard's offer of taking on some of his crew as it 'being premature' was a total lack of foresight on his part. Particularly after he just shared his story on losing 18 people in his shuttlebay.
It wouldn't have saved his whole crew, but at least some would be alive instead of all hands lost.
I took it that none of them were infected when we first met them.
If only because the writing was less than subtle when they were infected.
As to why he became the mother creature when you'd think there already was one, I think you're not meant to think too hard about it.
If only because the writing was less than subtle when they were infected.
As to why he became the mother creature when you'd think there already was one, I think you're not meant to think too hard about it.
Watched "The Best of Both Worlds Part I" last night and part two tonight, both on H&I.
The episodes never fail to thrill me, taking me back to how I felt as a kid left hanging on "Mr. Word, fire..." all summer.
That said, "The Best of Both Worlds" really is William T. Riker's swan song. I've always liked Riker more than Picard, mainly because Riker is a bit like my favorite science fiction character of all time, Jim Kirk, but also because he's unique. He had a rocky relationship with his father and was an officer who rose through the ranks by being true to himself. This is why Picard promoted him and made him XO, but it's also the character trait that goes out the window at the end of TBoBW part two.
"With all due respect, Commander, sir, my career plans are my own business, and no one else's." This is a prime example of what we call today "self-insert." Michael Piller was thinking of leaving the show and made Riker's story about his own struggles. The reality is that an officer in Starfleet, which is a form of military organization, does not have the luxury of having career plans that are his business and no one else's. Picard could have (and should have) refused RIker's decision to be demoted and return to the position of XO. I know that Frakes had a contract and that Stewart wasn't going anywhere, but Riker's arc ends with this episode.
We're shown and told for three years that William T. Riker is one of Starfleet's best and brightest...hell, he's even offered command of a starship while still a lieutenant commander! He passes that up to be XO on the Enterprise, which makes sense. Turning down the commands that followed, then refusing to remain a captain and requesting to remain XO after three years? It destroys one of my favorite Trek characters and renders him moot, especially once Stewart demands more action and thus, less for Riker to do other than carry out Picard's orders and lead away teams.
I also noticed that Shelby was a lieutenant commander this time around. I always thought she was a full commander, but I guess the writers/producers felt she had to get the three pips so that the audience would understand she's now in Riker's position. She could have just as easily become XO without the promotion in rank.
At any rate, TBoBW remains TNG's finest two hours, despite the damage it did to Riker.
The episodes never fail to thrill me, taking me back to how I felt as a kid left hanging on "Mr. Word, fire..." all summer.
That said, "The Best of Both Worlds" really is William T. Riker's swan song. I've always liked Riker more than Picard, mainly because Riker is a bit like my favorite science fiction character of all time, Jim Kirk, but also because he's unique. He had a rocky relationship with his father and was an officer who rose through the ranks by being true to himself. This is why Picard promoted him and made him XO, but it's also the character trait that goes out the window at the end of TBoBW part two.
"With all due respect, Commander, sir, my career plans are my own business, and no one else's." This is a prime example of what we call today "self-insert." Michael Piller was thinking of leaving the show and made Riker's story about his own struggles. The reality is that an officer in Starfleet, which is a form of military organization, does not have the luxury of having career plans that are his business and no one else's. Picard could have (and should have) refused RIker's decision to be demoted and return to the position of XO. I know that Frakes had a contract and that Stewart wasn't going anywhere, but Riker's arc ends with this episode.
We're shown and told for three years that William T. Riker is one of Starfleet's best and brightest...hell, he's even offered command of a starship while still a lieutenant commander! He passes that up to be XO on the Enterprise, which makes sense. Turning down the commands that followed, then refusing to remain a captain and requesting to remain XO after three years? It destroys one of my favorite Trek characters and renders him moot, especially once Stewart demands more action and thus, less for Riker to do other than carry out Picard's orders and lead away teams.
I also noticed that Shelby was a lieutenant commander this time around. I always thought she was a full commander, but I guess the writers/producers felt she had to get the three pips so that the audience would understand she's now in Riker's position. She could have just as easily become XO without the promotion in rank.
At any rate, TBoBW remains TNG's finest two hours, despite the damage it did to Riker.
Two... Because Riker refuses to vacate the 1st officer post, he effectively blockades its use as the top place in the fleet, for other officers rising in the ranks, to have 1st hand experience, learning how to captain from one of the fleet's best, just as Riker himself had benefitted from for 3 years, that being his reasoning for turning down a command for that post, in the 1st place. Clearly he's gotten those benefits, if he can take command & survive the worst crisis the fleet's ever faced & save Earth.
He no longer needs to be there anymore. He just wants to be, & cashes in the good credit he earned saving Earth, to hold it for himself. Meanwhile, the 2nd in command, Mr. Data, has been serving for nearly 2 decades, & Picard is likely the only person in the fleet progressive enough to post him in a command role at all, while others would hold prejudice against him for such duty. Data's only hope of maybe ever becoming a 1st officer, or a captain, is by Picard's support, & yet Riker won't move on.
It stymies Data for the rest of his career at LCDR, & beyond neutering Riker as a character, it also makes him look like a major prick, for holding Data back, when he may have nowhere else to go for advancement
Excellent points! I wish they'd thought of Thomas Riker in season four and Berman would have allowed it. Will goes off to his own command and Thomas becomes the regular helmsman and perhaps later, Ops officer.
Too damn ballsy. I mean, I LOVE the idea. It literally fixes everything IMHO, from a creative PoV, but they'd never have had the sack to actually do it, in those days, tv marketing being what it was. The show was just getting legs, after 2 seasons of thin ice under everybody but Stewart & Spiner, & even they didn't feel solid.
Changing anything then would've felt like shooting yourself in the foot, right as you were making progress in the race. Riker had studly command appeal, & to cut him down in stature would've felt very counterintuitive to them... but it could've been great
